Footage From Inside a UFO?! | MUFON's 10-Month Investigation | Ep. 74

In December 2021, John was scrolling through his phone deleting old photos when he found a 43-second video he had no memory of recording. The timestamp said 1:15 a.m. on June 12th, 2021. The footage shows what he believes to be the inside of a craft, multiple entities, and a cell tower at eye level.

This is episode 74, and it's a follow-up to John's first appearance on the show in episode 36 . This time he's joined by Matt Kellison, Florida State Director for MUFON and a retired US Coast Guard Chief Warrant Officer with 30 years of service, 2,000+ flight hours, and certification as an aircraft accident investigator. Matt spent 10 months and hundreds of hours building a full investigative report on John's video. We sat down to go through it.

We get into the cell tower math that places the camera roughly 130 feet from the tower lights instead of a quarter mile away. The "ceiling fan" object skeptics latch onto, and why the frame count rules it out. The entities John describes under regression, including grays, a frog-like being, and a reptilian figure he read as a scientist. The unexplained physics inside the craft. The metadata review that found no tampering. And what John believes the tall gray meant when it told him he has a job to do.

John is appearing under a pseudonym and his identity is not being shared.
Matt's full report is available in the link below and we encourage you to dig into it yourself.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KueZo1bUGJiNEe9U1cE8XP0qm3bhq0Zi/view?usp=drivesdk

As both guests say throughout this conversation, the science comes first.

Timestamps
00:00 Intro
02:27 John's lifetime of experiences
04:13 Finding the video he never recorded
08:00 How the MUFON case started
09:51 The finding that stopped Matt cold
11:01 Recovering memories through regression
14:15 Matt's investigative background and method
16:00 The "ceiling fan" object and why the math rules it out
20:36 Could the craft itself be organic
21:59 The cell tower and the 130-foot calculation
25:35 Metadata, forensic review, and Stephen Lea's analysis
27:50 The frog being
33:48 Frogs in other experiencer accounts
35:53 The reptilian figure
39:52 The five entities and the visual evidence
42:25 Toroidal spin, gravitational lensing, and the physics inside the craft
46:36 Biological robots and the small grays
48:30 The white strip, frozen light, and craft atmosphere
51:12 The woman's voice in the audio
54:08 Disinformation and how to discern what's real
55:17 Why this information is being allowed out now
58:57 The quickening and the missing scientists
01:01:18 What disclosure looks like over the next 10 years

If you have expertise in video or audio analysis, John and Matt are inviting qualified people to examine the footage and the report. Reach out and we'll connect you.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

It was December of 2021 when I found the video perusing my gallery to delete pictures and videos. The video itself was taken at 1.15 a.m. on June 12th, 2021.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

The first one is really the self, uh the cell tower blinking, and then the second one is uh, you know, the what looks like a ceiling fan.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

I think it was an entirely different species type creature. And most of the grays, in one way or another, they typically have a larger gray head, larger eyes, and the rest of their features are smaller, but to different degrees, with all of the different things and their body structure.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

All right, let's just make sure I I kickstart this episode the proper way. Matt, John, thank you both for joining me tonight. Um, really looking forward to this episode, and uh can't thank you enough for taking the time to share all this information with us this evening.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Thank you so much, Cameron.

SPEAKER_03 1:05

Pleasure to be here. Well, as discussed before, I am gonna go ahead and do a little bit of an introduction of Matt. And then uh, John, everyone knows you from our previous episode, and so we'll we'll let them go kind of go back to that episode and learn a little bit more about your background. But I'm gonna start with Matt, and then we will proceed accordingly um from there in what might be one of the most exciting cases that I've ever reviewed um in regards to the the UFO space and the abduction space. And I'm just I'm really pumped to have y'all back on this episode to uh dive into this report. But Matt, I'm gonna go to the very top of this. Matt, you are currently the state director for uh uh move fund in Florida, correct? That's correct. Wonderful. You're also a retired U.S. Coast Guard chief warrant officer, 30 years of distinguished service in aviation engineering, and as a helicopter search and rescue air crewman. Over the course of your career, you logged more than 2,000 flight hours and participated in missions that saved 43 lives, probably a lot more than that, too, that you maybe weren't aware of. Uh he holds a Bachelor of Science in Aeronautical Technology from Purdue University and a Master of Science in Aviation and Aerospace Management from Embry Riddle Aeronautical University. Following his retirement, Matt joined MUFON in 2022 and currently serves as a state director for Florida, as well as a member of MUFON's experience or resource team, ERT. He has investigated more than 160 UFO sighting cases and has worked closely with over 40 experiencers reporting contact and abduction events. Now, John, John is your pseudonym. We are not sharing your identity. We're staying anonymous at this time. Um, but you have an incredible story to tell, and you've had incredible experiences throughout the entirety of your life. And just to kind of kickstart this episode, I would love for you to give us a little bit of a better understanding of your experiences throughout the lot your life that have now led up to obviously this latest experience that we're going to dive deep into on this episode today.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

I've had lots and lots of experiences throughout my life. Uh I don't try to create anything that I didn't experience that I don't have some evidence for, uh, but there has been a lot of weirdness that I can put my finger on throughout my life. Uh not only plenty of sightings of UFOs, uh but with uh friends, family involved. Uh and I've been open about it to people within my group typically. But I never would have come forward. You know, I wasn't planning on writing a book, I wasn't uh planning on even posting, you know, talking about my experiences publicly until we found the video. That's what we're here to talk about. Uh the video not only does the video provide validation, but the report that Matt composed and authored is incredible and provides validation to the video itself. Uh on top of all the many, many different video experts and analysts who have authenticated the video for what it purports to be.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

So let's let's go back to that night in 2021, correct? It was December of 2021 when this occurred, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:57

It was December of 2021 when I found the video uh while perusing my gallery to delete pictures and videos. And the video itself was taken at 1 15 a.m. on June 12th of 2021.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

Okay. And this was a recording that you were not at you had no memory of recording this video in this spacecraft. Um this is something that you, as you were perusing through your gallery, you just happened to stumble upon this video as you were deleting other images, correct?

SPEAKER_00 5:38

That's correct, Kim.

SPEAKER_03 5:40

And what was the I I don't know that we really discussed the like the emotional response at that time, but at that time, what was the initial like emotional guttural feeling that you had when you found that video?

SPEAKER_00 5:54

I'm a pretty even killed person. I've never been blown away really by any of my abductions or knowing what I may have gone through. Um most of my memories of what's occurred to me have been obtained through regression hypnosis. Um but it's incredible how and and Matt might back me up. It's incredible how so many of my memories from hypnosis later coincided with various facts that we already knew, or you know, chicken or the egg, I forget, but um you know, pretty incredible stuff.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Right. You also mentioned around that time there was a a severe hip pain that you were experiencing. Um, do you think that like worked in your favor that night by allowing you to res resist sedation enough to get to your like get your phone out on the table? That's that was that was one of those things that we kind of discussed in the last episode, but do you think that was something that led to your ability to be able to record that evening?

SPEAKER_00 7:05

I think with every piece of data with all the evidence, more often it creates more questions and provides answers. And I don't have an answer for you. When I suggested it, it's still just a suggestion. It you know, I don't know you know, I have opinions, I have some leanings, but I don't have any specifics. You know, the fact that I had my phone, you know, the likelihood I was walking the fifty or so feet from my car to my town home, the likelihood is I would have had my phone in my hand. So when they took me, the phone was always in my hand and I never dropped it. And do I know that's the case? No. Maybe it was in my pocket. Maybe the hip the pain in my hip snapped me out of their um what they do to put you in a freeze. Or maybe they allowed me to do it. You know, it seems that they were all standing there motionless for quite a while while obviously I was not under their control, you know, for a short time. Right. You know, none of them really took any, you know, severe actions. They knew what I was doing, I would assume.

SPEAKER_03 8:29

Right. Um Matt, I want I want to jump over to you for um now uh as we kind of start to dive into this report. Uh you received an email from John in September 2024, is that correct?

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Um I think it was November 2024.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

November 2024. Uh you you probably almost wrote it off at first. I'm just curious to know kind of what your thoughts were on that. You maybe were a little bit skeptical. What was kind of the moment in which your skepticism started to completely crack on this case?

SPEAKER_02 8:57

Well, and I mean initially, um, you know, I got the email from uh John that it said, hey, he's got this video, and um some other labs had taken a look at it, and he just was looking towards um uh having Mufon uh do a do you know do the um uh investigation on it. Um so I think we're probably the maybe the fifth or sixth uh you know lab or entity to uh to take a look at it. So that was November 2024. Um I I talked him into or I urged him to sit make a uh report to MUFON and uh he would he said he would consider it. And then I didn't hear anything until May of 2025. Um and I get a lot of these, you know, um kind of off-the-wall emails like people that have artifacts and and that kind of stuff, and they never really seemed to pan out. Uh but with John in John's case, um, yeah, May 2024, I I received a case uh and it was from him. And uh I was like, man, this this is real. So uh uh I started diving into it and and uh it turned into a uh about a 10-month journey. I wrapped up the report in uh end of February, February 27th, and uh it it was a roller coaster ride.

SPEAKER_03 10:18

Absolutely. You I mean 10 months, you spent hundreds of hours working on this case in particular. Many, many. When you think about this particular case, maybe comparing it to others, but let's just start with this one. What was you know, maybe this uh the single frame or finding that stopped you cold and made you think there there really is something here with this particular case?

SPEAKER_02 10:43

Honestly, uh very early on in the investigation that I was doing, uh I contacted or was contacted by um uh Stephen Leah. Actually, uh John was the one that introduced the two of us. And I was able to look at a lot of the work that he had done. And it I think so. This is probably a month into my investigation that that kind of sealed the deal for me right off the bat. Uh, and then from that point on, it was just well, let me go through the motions and see what I can find. And you know, lo and behold, a lot of the uh things that John had brought up, like he said, I I found uh I within the video. So uh I think it was a combination of those two.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

Got it, got it. And uh John, I'm I'm thinking back on like this this video that you found. Um did did all this memory came back from the hypno hypnosis, correct? You didn't have you had literally no memory of this until the hypnosis.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 11:44

Okay. And when you were going through the hypnosis, did it all come back to you all at once, or did it come back through multiple sessions of hypnosis therapy?

SPEAKER_00 11:54

When I still lived in Key West, uh I don't know exactly how long after, might have been 10, 11 months. Uh certainly we can figure it out easily. I had an online regression session with Yvonne Smith, and she's pretty well known uh in UFO circles uh as an excellent uh person to work with to do regression therapy in the hopes of uncovering hidden memories. And we had limited results. Uh the initial part of the abduction came through pretty clearly. And from there it was tough to take it much further. Um and I have a thought about this. And over the last six months I've done which now is uh what are we talking? Uh going on five years, I believe, Matt.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

Oh yeah, 2021, yeah, so uh five almost five years, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Steven Spielberg's Disclosure Day happens the five year anniversary of my video and abduction. Which is pretty weird. Um so uh about I don't know, I guess about five months ago, and another time about two months ago, I had regressions with the Dr. Thomas Beck uh in Washington State, uh, and they were extremely successful. And you know, everything started from the same situation of me walking uh up my path from the parking lot to in my townhouse and a gray being in the dark end of the pathway, but I was able to take the regression much further. And my thinking of that is that whatever they do to put a screen on your memory or hide your memory, it was much fresher at the time I did the first regression. And you know, all all close to five years have gone by and the memory is still there. But maybe the screen or what they did to hide the memory has faded a bit, allowing for the regression to take better hold. I don't know if that's the case or not. Um, but in two regression sessions, I was able to really uncover a lot of information.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

Love it. Uh Matt, you are as a retired Coast Guard chief warrant officer and with an aeronautical background. I think a lot of people struggle in this space because they're like, okay, what kind of credibility does this individual have to be doing this research? Or what kind of credibility does this person have in general? Um, you you spent a long time in the militar in the Coast Guard. You've now, you know, got a lot of experiencing uh in investigating these kinds of cases. Um, how does your technical training shape how you approach a case like this versus like a typical Joe Schmoe like myself off the streets that might be just looking at this and trying to understand what's going on?

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Well, um a few years before I retired, I retired in 2017. Uh a few years before I retired, I uh went to the NTSB um training center um uh in Northern Virginia and uh went through their accident based investigation course and uh became a certified uh uh aircraft accident investigator with the Coast Guard. Uh so I, you know, so I was familiar with the investigative process. Um and obviously from um you know uh uh going to uh you know Purdue and Embry Riddle. Um certainly they drilled uh you know scientific method into your into your skull uh with every paper uh that you uh you know that you turn in. So uh so yeah, I I mean that really was the was the foundation for um my uh investigative process. Uh so I just you know treated it kind of in you know similar method.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

And you so there's there are a few things that as people kind of go through this report, to which we are allowed to share this, correct, as a follow-up or okay. Awesome. Yeah, absolutely. As a follow-up, we are obviously going to be sharing this entire report, which is fantastic. Just want to make sure all of this is quite shared. Yep. Um, but as it relates to the the lot, you know, certain parts of the video, people point out the stealing fan problem that kind of seems to be one of the main pieces of this. Um, you said it was the first thing that you noticed and and kind of the first thing that skeptics latch on to. Um, but can you kind of break down exactly why the math rules it out in this particular situation?

SPEAKER_02 16:54

Well, um, yeah, so there were actually two elements that uh were kind of controversial for uh you know skeptics that first uh you know view the video. Um the first one is really the self, uh the cell tower blinking. Uh and then the second one is uh, you know, the what looks like a ceiling fan. Uh, but I'll talk about the ceiling fan first. Um what I did was uh I used Adobe Premiere Pro uh to review frame by frame. There's you know 1270 uh frames filmed at 30 uh 30 frames per second. Uh so and about 43 seconds long. And I'm sure you've you showed it on you know the last time that John was on, and I'm sure you'll show it a couple of times for this this uh this show. Um but I went frame by frame uh with Premiere Pro, and when I found a uh um a frame of interest, I imported it into Adobe Photoshop. And I used Adobe Photoshop, uh an older version was Photoshop 7.0. And I chose that for a reason, uh, because in 2016 uh Adobe introduced machine learning uh and then they also uh later introduced AI into all of their um uh into the Photoshop um line. And so I wanted to make sure that I was using something that was not being messed with you know by you know machine learning or or AI. I wanted it to be you know uh you know unaltered in every aspect. Um the only alterations I did uh were global, uh and that would be you know adjusting brightness, contrast, uh that kind of stuff. And then in some particular frames, especially with the entities that are observed, I darkened the background and I did it all by hand uh just to you know highlight the figures. Um what I did was for the the the ceiling fan object, uh which I call the transient ceiling object, it's definitely not a ceiling fan, uh I counted all of the visible frames with that object in the frame. And uh when it passed a certain point where there's in the video, there's kind of a disc underneath a ringed light. Uh and when the object got to a certain point on in relation to the disc, I I made a note of it, which frame that was. And I figured out that there were 49 frames where the object was visible, uh, the object that looks like a ceiling fan blade. Uh there were 17 individual passes. And I found that and there and then there were three sequences, uh three distinct sequences where you you you could see it. Uh and I found that the pattern wasn't uh equal. So with a ceiling fan, you would expect, you know, a blade pass, 10 frames, blade pass, 10 frames, uh something like that. And what I found was an alternating pattern of uh 11 and 16. So, you know, frame with the with the object in the center, count 11 frames, appears again, count 16 frames, it appears again, and it's like that throughout the whole sequence, uh or all three sequences. So and that suggests that it's uh somewhat of an asymmetric geometry. Um and I kind of compared it if anybody is familiar with the uh Army's uh AH 64 Apache helicopter. It has a kind of a tail rotor blade that is you know asymmetrical like that. So that's that's kind of what I formulated in my head. But as I got you know, started studying it, I realized it's not in a it's not moving in a circular motion, it's moving in a linear motion. So it's not rotating, it's you know, kind of like going like that. Um and then when I started looking at the individual frames, it didn't look like a uh a ceiling fan blade. It looked honestly, it looked like an octopus tentacle. And it's really bizarre. And I'm sure you'll show some of the clips, uh, some of the frames that I isolated, but it looks organic. It looks like it's a some kind of a you know living tissue or organic matter.

SPEAKER_03 21:02

Wow. Um the whole octopus tentacle thing didn't even come to mind, frankly, before. I just thought this might be some kind of device within this craft. Um, it seemed more like well, I'm I think of like a metal and or something that's much harder. But when you say octopus tentacle, do you when you say that, do you think quite literally it could be a a being above? And or are you saying that that's just what it seemed to look like?

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Um I I it's entirely possible that it's some kind of an organic element. And uh, you know, in the back of my mind when I started seeing, you know, frames with with uh this object in it, uh, I thought about um I have a really good friend of mine. Uh she is a lifelong experiencer. Uh and she was telling me about one of her uh experiences where she was abducted, she was on board a craft, and she said as she was being led through a um uh like a hallway, uh she was led into a room and as she Turn the corner, she put her hand on the bulkhead of the craft, and she instantly realized this thing, this the craft itself is alive. It's a it's a has a consciousness of its own. And that was the first thing that popped in my head, you know. Oh, well, maybe I'm looking at, you know, part a mechanism on board the craft that is actually uh, you know, living, which as weird as it sounds.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

Um I didn't even think about that before, if I'm being completely honest. That's that's wild. Um the the other port, the other part of it too, that kind of people when they see this video, they're gonna obviously notice is the um the tower, the stealth. Um so with the proximity to John's home and where the stealth tower shows up in the video, it's very clear that you're at an elevated like level. You're not on the ground looking up at the stealth tower. The cell tower is at the same eye level as wherever they are in the sky. So he's like, he's in the sky. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um can you kind of walk us through the the math, the geometry for someone who has never thought about you know that before or has not obviously done the study that you have done?

SPEAKER_02 23:06

Certainly. Uh so the first thing I did was I tried to identify exactly what cell tower was. Uh it's I found it. It's an FCC registered uh three-legged self-supporting lattice tower, uh, which is located about a quarter of a mile south of the residence where John was at the time. Uh and it's the only tower in the lower keys that has that light configuration, two red lights. And the reason for that is because it's sandwiched right in between two major airports. You've got uh Key West International, uh, and then also the Naval Air Station in Boca Chica, with uh uh Naval Air Station Key West. Uh and so the FAA requires that lighting configuration due to its proximity to the uh to those two airports. Uh and and then what I did, so the tower is 183 feet tall, uh, and the the view through the window of the craft is eye level with the you know with those two obstruction lights at the top of the tower. Uh and I was able to um take some measurements. So I you know I found the um uh with on the FCC, they have uh and also the FAA, they you know they have diagrams of uh of these tower configurations, uh and I was able to figure out uh that the lights in real life uh on the tower are approximately 10 feet apart. And then uh the video was filmed in a one-to-one uh format, and uh using the metadata off of the off of the video, I determined that the field of the horizontal field of view was 39 degrees. So now you know I've got two known variables there. Uh and then I measured the uh pixel distance of uh you know the percentage uh of that distance between those two lights on the on a couple of different frames, and I figured out that the distance between the two lights is about 10.5 percent of the total pixel length of the of the horizontal frame. And using those known variables, I was able to calculate that uh the camera lens was approximately 130 feet uh away from the from the lights, the top of the uh the tower structure. So uh that is a a whole lot closer than a quarter mile. Uh so the he uh John definitely did not film this from his living room uh with a tower outside and a ceiling fan going.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

So there's no way he had like a telescope or like some something else that could have been projected into this craft that was you know right at high level with the with the lights. There's not like some kind of weird way that he could have gotten a camera up there in the middle of the night in his sleep.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

Not that I could uh I I can't think of any scenario where that would be for a second.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Yay, sleepwalker as well. You like meth.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

Oh, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

Would you ask Cameron?

SPEAKER_03 25:59

No, I said, are you a sleepwalker as well? Did you sleepwalk into the sky that evening?

SPEAKER_00 26:04

Not not the least bit.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

Um the metadata also under forensic review showed no tampering or post-capture modification as well. Um, not sure who who wants to speak to that, but I I do want to make sure that we we talk about the metadata as well for the particular file, real quick.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Right. Yeah, so the metadata was unaltered. Uh and then the uh also like you know, I spoke about Stephen Leah, uh owner uh of Hidden World. He also determined that. And he was looking at the video at the quantum level. That's what he specializes in. Um he's done work for um, you know, the Department of War. Uh he did it for the DOD, you know, before they changed the name. But uh also he he uh did some work for uh uh Lawrence Livermore and the Department of Energy, and then obviously uh you know uh he did some outside work with uh in the entertainment uh documentary uh regime on uh blindfold mystery of blind frog ranch.

SPEAKER_03 27:02

So is it difficult for you all to refer to it to it as the Department of War, just like it is for me, because I still refer to everything as Department of Defense. I just can't I haven't really it doesn't really click for me yet.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

All gonna be changed back in a couple of years.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

Yeah, it's it's hard for me to. I mean, I've I I went you know 30, 40 years calling it the DOD. It's hard to switch.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

But yeah, it just it's always been the DOD to me. So it's it anyways. Um so John, I I want to jump into the entities. Um everything nowadays, especially the past few months, with like the disclosure and things being discussed even more. I feel like it's top of my feed. Maybe it's just because these are the things I'm interested in, and therefore it's all over my social media. But Congress, the government, everybody started to talk about these things a whole lot more as of late. And we talk about grays and reptilians and Nordics and all these different creatures and beings and entities. But you described a female frog being projected in a strong sense of like empathy and reassurance towards you. Would you consider that frog being to be more of a rep like a reptilian or still or maybe something different than what we would refer to as a reptilian in this space?

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Well, if it's a frog, then it might be amphibian.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

And if there can be reptilian aliens and and uh and lizard aliens and all kinds of there could and avian aliens, or could be amphibious aliens.

SPEAKER_03 28:33

So you guys you you strongly felt as though it was a a frog. It was not just like a feeling of a frog, it was a from what you you know saw in your Russian.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Well, you can you can see in the video, in the report, you can see how it's outlined, you can see how its two big black eyes stick out from the side of its head. Right. So it had features mainly of a frog, but also maybe some snake-like features as well, but mostly frog-like.

SPEAKER_03 29:06

And in that moment, do you remember feeling a sense of terror, or was there maybe some comfort associated with that particular being?

SPEAKER_00 29:19

I have never experienced a sense of terror in any of my abductions.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

I don't know if it's me, I don't know if it's what they do to calm you when they you know the same time that their their telepathic abilities can make you forget, uh, they can also make you see things, they can probably make you think things. Uh my very first abduction memory, the single wolf in the window. And under regression, it was a gray I was looking at. So you know, again, there's more questions than answers, and I might have a few opinions as far as how some things have worked out, um you know, to answer your question. But what was your question?

SPEAKER_03 30:14

Yeah, but I I think I I think about like you know, uh these beings being benevolent or not, really. That's I think that's my biggest thing at the end of the day is did you do you from all of your experiences, and especially this one, do you get this like benevolent feeling from these beings, entities?

SPEAKER_00 30:29

No, not benevolent, um more cold and non-caring either way. Okay. Not that they're trying to hurt me, not that they're trying to save me. Um I I think I'm more of a science project than anything else. Uh I don't feel I'm not scared that they're gonna hurt me, even though they've done some various medical things. I probably feel more violated than scared. Uh there was one abduction when uh during a procedure I got extremely angry and one of the Greys had to come over to me and literally went like this in front of my face with its hand, and it was like an immediate Xanax. Like a Xanax wave or a Valium wave. And I just you know, extra conked out when I was getting really angry, and as part of me getting angry, I felt I was coming out of their control. But they knew that. They knew I was experiencing that emotion, and one of them, the short grays, came over to me and put me in a deeper state.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

And you do talk about a tall gray, I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong here, that communicated with you telepathically, basically saying you have a job to do.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

And there's there's so many different types of gray aliens. I know that from my own encounters, I know that from other people's encounters. I think there's many, many different types of grays, just like there's different types of humanoids. And you know, just like we have uh you know different size of humanoids that are different heights, different colors, uh different eye, you know, the way our features are are located and things like that. But with that in mind, there have been I've had one experience where there were tall grays where they were like seven feet tall. I I kind of feel like that's really tall. As far as being on the ship, there were short grays and then there were taller grays. When I say taller, the typical grays are like three and a half feet, maybe four feet tall, while these grays were more like five to five and a half feet tall. Not really, really tall and thin. And one of them uh unlike some of the others, and there were multiple types of grays, this one had more human-like features, and there's a picture or two in the in the report that shows him he has one big heavy brow that goes over his entire eye area. And I felt that he was more militaristic, more of a military type figure, and he had on a much different type uniform than I had ever seen, and it had a V-neck and even a collar, and it looked like you know, more of a military type thing. Every other gray I've ever seen all had on a black one-piece scuba suit looking thing that they were wearing, and that was it. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Real quickly, if I can interject, um I going back to the frogs. Um I I really answered your question, Grey. What's that?

SPEAKER_00 34:13

I didn't answer Cameron's question great yet.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

Oh, okay. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

No, no, but I admit, go ahead. Okay. I can still answer.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

All right. Um the frogs really kind of puzzled me. Uh I, you know, with all the experiencers that I've spoken with uh over the over the last few years, uh frogs have never been a part of the abduction experience for for those people. Uh so I was really puzzled by these. And you know, I I read a lot of books uh and I've never really they've never really come up. Uh but uh there's a uh gentleman, his name is Eric Nanstiel. Uh he's uh just has a couple of books that are out now. One is called The Angst in the Shadows, and he's got another one called A Blood Covenant. But in Angst of the Shadows, uh he talks about being examined by this frog like doctor or healer, uh, and it healed his uh he had a GI a GI issue and it healed his uh issue with GERD. Uh and it was interesting because I was I was driving through Central Florida listening to this podcast that he was on, and when he started describing this doctor, there was some hesitation in his voice because I felt like he was uncomfortable saying the word frog. And uh and he's just kind of beating around the bush with it. And I I'm just as I'm driving, I'm I'm thinking to myself, just say it, say it, say it. And of course, he said it was a frog being. And uh, and it is exactly like uh John described that you know could because the the two frog beings that uh that he encountered had were he he thought they were more heal had a healing role or a doc you know uh like a physician role. Uh so I so that that amazed me. I and and uh to have that description with the same kind of duty uh and uh I that uh that was pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_03 36:05

I've never thought of the frog before, personally. Um I also don't recall that from our last conversation, John. So I'm glad that this report brought up the frog. Um, because that's not something I've seen in any of my research or any of my countless hours of YouTube videos either. But Matt, I really appreciate that there is somebody else that has brought up frogs as well because it obviously shows it's not just one particular case. I mean, this is referenced multiple times. And you um, John, you mentioned the grays. You mentioned the frog. We there was also a rep there also was a reptilian T-Rex looking figure there as well. Um that particular entity, do you think that was also potentially a gray that was looking like a reptilian, or do you think there was actually a reptilian creature within the spacecraft as well?

SPEAKER_00 36:52

I think it was an entirely different species type creature. And you know, the grays, most of the grays, in one way or another, they typically have a larger gray head, larger eyes, and the rest of their features are smaller, but to different degrees with all of the different things and their body structure. As far as this creature, this literally looked like a small T-Rex head and it was wearing what looked like a tunic, like Friar Tuck type tunic, except it was a beige colored. And while I got the feeling of that one gray with the brow uh being mil a military type guy, and two frogs being more in a medical role, I got a feeling of him as being a scientist.

SPEAKER_03 37:49

The reptilian being the scientist.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Yeah, more of a scientist.

SPEAKER_03 37:53

Got it. And how do you feel about the the octopus concept? The the the actual craft being organic and or biologic.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

There's nothing to lead me to that. Um I I love Matt's report. I respect every bit of it. Uh Matt's the one that found that stuff, and I respect his opinion as far as all of it. I can't dispute any of it. I just don't personally have any evidence of my own of the craft being organic in nature.

SPEAKER_03 38:29

Well, I I love these conversations because the both of you are very open individuals about all of this, and very clearly you you've you've obviously done a lot of research, and Matt, you've spent a lot of time in this particular case, but I also appreciate that you're everybody's humble enough here to say we we don't actually know what this might be. We we're not sure yet. We're still figuring that out, which is people who speak in absolutes. I immediately I'm like, Yeah, well, you're just lying.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

So one hundred percent. Yeah. For a guy who's been abducted throughout his life, I'm still so skeptical of so many other people and what they talk about, you know, and so many people have and I've said this before, and I'll probably say it on every podcast, but for decades and decades the naysayers, the skeptics, and everyone have said if abductions are real, where's the evidence? People have been taken, why can't you pick something up? Why don't you have better why are the pictures always blurry? Well this this is a little blurry too, but still here's the evidence. Finally we have some goods, and hopefully, you know, as we get this information out on podcast and any other manner, it's important information. And it validates a lot of people around the world who will not look as crazy as they may have sounded to others.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh Matt, you in this research there were five, I believe, five distinct entities. Is that correct? Right. So I I was just my my biggest focus with all that is like which individual, which entity has the strongest visual evidence from the research you've done.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

Well, definitely the uh there's several frames where the tall gray is very, very clear. Okay. Uh and I I highlighted those in my report. Um there's um several frames where the tall uh frog-like being that's to the far left of the frame, there's several very, very clear shots of that. Uh there's one or two very distinct um um uh images in a couple of frames of thus there's a small short gray uh that's closer to the uh the the window in the back in the background. Um and then I was able to find this um entity with a kind of a dinosaur-like head. It it was only a few frames at the very, very end, uh, but I was able to you know pick out you know the ridgeline of its head, uh the vertical pupils uh you know for eyes, and um, and there's definitely symmetry there. So, you know, we're not talking about paradoya or any anything like that. These are um they're consistent frame by frame by frame, uh whereas other elements of the video were you know wildly distorted and uh there's something going on inside. It's um you know, I suspected that you know maybe it was some kind of exotic gas mixture that uh that they could breathe and and and you know John could breathe at the same time. And um, but then after um reviewing uh Stephen Leah's work, uh I realized that I think what we're looking at here is some kind of a temporal, like uh like you know, space-time kind of uh something going on. Um he was able to identify uh a troidal um uh spin feature that's behind the the tall gray's head. Um and it's uh he was able to identify the the parts of it, the the the uh tokamak, the sphermac, uh and he was able to identify portions of the video where there was uh evidence of gravitational lensing. And so there's some bizarre physics that are going on uh inside that craft that just cannot be explained. I mean, Stephen Stephen said to and John.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

I'm sorry, Cameron. You'll see in Stephen's work, and perhaps you'll shoot you'll interject it into the podcast, there are times with Stephen's quantum analysis where we see dozens and dozens of freaky disembodied alien heads throughout the video. And Steven highlights it. Some of them look like literally like E.T., others look like like demonic creatures, but they're all bodiless heads, and Steven thinks that the toroid the toroidal structure is an open wormhole. And he thinks that things are coming in and out. This is the science part of this is so far beyond me. Um I'm glad Matt's here to talk about that. Talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

Well, it's way above my head.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

I'm you know, uh I uh you should you should get Stephen Leah on the show.

SPEAKER_03 43:42

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:43

That would be a very interesting podcast.

SPEAKER_03 43:46

Yeah, I I think just bringing up the well saying toroidal spin might throw a lot of people for a loop to begin with.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Um very funny.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

But I I think of like um just like bending. Space-time has been like the main focus for me as of late. It's like, how do these crafts actually travel? I've seen a lot of that in other videos that's been discussed as well. Um, but the thing that keeps coming to my mind too is if this craft is hovering there in the sky, it's like nobody nobody sees it, nobody's seeing this craft. It's it's completely hidden. Once again, that technology is um obviously very far and uh advanced beyond anything I'll I'll ever understand. Um but that's just the the wild thing that keeps coming up in my mind is that nobody else saw this craft that evening. Is that correct, according to the report?

SPEAKER_00 44:32

No one saw it as far as we know, no one saw it on the golf course behind my townhouse. No one saw it or reported it hovering over uh the townhomes near the cell phone tower. Uh so it must have some ability to hide itself.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

I I will bring up um for those who have seen uh Luigi uh Vend Venditelli's um uh movie S4, you know, Bob L the Bob Lazar story. Um there's a um a clip in there where um Bob Lazar describes walking underneath the the sport model and he looks up and there's nothing there. And then he takes a few steps back and it comes back into view. So they have some kind of a um kind of a for lack of a better term, like a cloaking uh you know technology. And I'm I'm sure uh you know, with these uh special access pro programs that the um you know the the the government is uh re reverse engineering that technology for sure, because that would be extremely valuable on the battlefield.

SPEAKER_00 45:42

Except you know what's interesting, you know, not only in my um abduction at in the Hudson Valley uh with my friend, which I've talked about, where we saw the big orange glowing craft in the woods, but under regression, when I went with the gray to the back of the townhouse where it was on the golf course, to me it was lit up, you know, incredibly big and orange. You know, had to be forty feet high and fifty feet fifty-five feet around. And it was all lit up orange brightly. So why no one would have seen it is incredible. It was one and for where it was on the golf course, there's only a small row of trees between that and Route One going through the keys.

SPEAKER_03 46:40

I I want to jump back to the small grays real quick because biologic robots keeps coming back into mind for me, and I've been seeing this a lot um as of late. So with the small grays potentially being biological robots, which seems to line up with a lot of other experiencer accounts across the board, is that still kind of a fringe view in this community, or is that gaining a lot of traction? Is it very mainstream? What does that look like for you all?

SPEAKER_02 47:07

I know for me, the the experiencers that I've worked with, um, they describe that that feature of the small grays a lot, that they're um emotionless, they don't get any telepath or uh telepathic communication, or are very few cases of telepathic communication. That's usually between the tall grays and the uh and the experiencers. Um and that it's been that's how it was described to me by by nearly all of the experiencers I've worked with is that you know they seem very mechanical like like you know robots, bio like biological robots.

SPEAKER_00 47:39

I think of them more as worker bees.

SPEAKER_03 47:43

The smaller grays.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

Yeah. The the only message I and throughout all my abductions and experiences, the only message, telepathic message I ever got was don't worry, we're not gonna hurt you. Except for the session where I took the video where the the taller gray that was came to be uh I thought of as more mil uh a military guy. He just gave me a message that said, You have a mission, you have a job to do. Or it might have been the other way around, you have a job to do, you have a mission. And that's the only other message I've ever received. And I know I don't know what that might be.

SPEAKER_03 48:34

Uh Matt, I want to jump back to the report before I ask some fun concluding questions here because I've got some just fun general questions about disclosure and everything else going on. Is there anything else from the report that you want to bring up that you believe is um very necessary for people to really delve into as they're reviewing the report accordingly?

SPEAKER_02 48:51

Yeah, absolutely. Uh the the last uh several frames of the video, you see a white strip uh on the right side of the frame. Uh and that uh from what John had had said that you know he went from a bright white room into a dark, more control room, which is what you see in the in the video. Uh at first glance, it looks like an old film reel that has come off of the, you know, uh off of a sprocket and is, you know, has come off of the camera. Uh, but when I went frame by frame to look at it, it's a very distinct, delineated line. Uh it moves it with uh in conjunction with the with the background surroundings on the dark side. Uh so it's not like a camera artifact or anything like that. And when I analyzed each frame, what I noticed was the edge where the light stops and the darkness, you know, the dark room appears uh to the uh to the left side of it. There is a the delineation consists of these colored bubbles that multicolored bubbles that are moving upward. Uh and and it it appears that you know there's no bleed over from this light source on the left-hand side of the frame, uh, which it defies our current understanding of optical physics for sure. You know, we you can't just stop light in mid-air. Uh so that was very, very interesting. Um and the other thing to note is that the disc on the uh on the the overhead of the of the craft, um, it appears to be spinning as well. Um there's the the edge um is has these tiny triangular looking shapes, and and they it appears that either the disc is spinning or the the edge itself is spinning. Um and then the other thing I wanted to touch on was the atmosphere within this craft. Uh there are several sequences where there's all of this flying debris going all over the place. And there's these I've isolated, you know, many, many frames that had this, like they're almost like golf ball-sized spheres that are that are flying through, and you can track them from one frame to the next. So, you know, again, they're not camera artifacts. Uh they are, you know, they're uh real objects that are that are moving through the frame. We can and they're able to be tracked. So uh I thought that was pretty interesting, too.

SPEAKER_00 51:17

One other thing I'd like to add is one of the alien pictures that we've extracted, and I'm not a hundred percent sure of the frame, even at this point, but it shows a humanoid being. And it kind of looks like a woman with blonde hair wearing dark glasses. Uh one of the things that we still need to investigate further is the audio from this video. And in the audio, and Matt can talk a little more about this, but uh after I say my f the final comment and I say uh and it includes the the word fuck, you hear you hear something, you hear like a whisper. And Matt, if you want to take it from there.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

Yeah, absolutely. Uh so I I did not find the you know the the the woman with the sunglasses or the dark big dark eyes or whatever it was. Uh, but I but I know the frame where it exists, but I I wasn't the one that extracted that. So uh that and that's why I didn't include it in my report. But it appears around the same time as in the audio. So this is about the the 22nd to 30 second mark of this 43 uh second video. Uh there is clearly a woman's voice. Initially, when you hear it, it's just kind of a tick-tock, uh, really quick, um, you barely discernible. But when you slow it down by about 75%, and then you know, playing around with the equalizer where you raise the levels on you know certain channels and then uh you know lower them on others, um, it sounds like a woman's voice. And it sounds like she says either intuitive or um um I it to me it sounds like intuitive fuck is what it sounds like, and it sounds just like that. Um and it's a woman's voice. Referring to John? I apparently uh you know, or it's either intuitive or intelligent, but I it sounds more like intuitive fuck. I can't explain that.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

Cameron, if any of your viewers at any point have a specific talent in video analysis above and beyond what's already what is typical. And if any of your viewers have expertise in audio analysis, let them contact you and we're we're happy to let almost anyone, you know, with who has you know certain talents analyze the video, and the report, Matt and I agree, is a living document that can always be updated and edited and added to.

SPEAKER_03 54:09

Yeah, we will we will absolutely uh put them in touch with you uh in in the near future if that's the case. And hopefully there are some of those individuals listening in that can can support in whatever way possible. I uh right now, when I when I think about this and I think about sharing this with my friends and family and the people that are listening to this podcast, I think a lot about disinformation and the amount of BS that we're fed on a daily basis and how difficult it is to discern between what is real, what's not real, and maybe you know what I should spend my time focusing on. A lot of folks have their nine to fives, they've got plenty of other things to focus on and worry about, and then you know, aliens and reptilians and grays and frogs and whatever the beings are is probably the the last thing on a lot of people's mind. But when it comes to this in particular, do you think that there is maybe a particular reason that the NHIs are allowing this information to get out at this time and to be shared? Um, or do you think there's maybe something else going on? This is a question for for both of you. But from a timing perspective, why is this now being allowed? Why are we allowed to talk about this in the first place?

SPEAKER_00 55:19

Well, we're allowed to talk about it because uh we're we live in a free society, and you know, that's why we're allowed to talk about it. Uh Gore um not Gordon Cooper, uh Edgar Mitchell, the last man to allegedly walk on the moon, came forward uh I don't know, thirty years ago publicly. Uh I might be a little off, but my story is in the neighborhood. And he was on a radio show and he started talking coming forward and talking about the reality that we're being visited and that aliens are real and this or that. And the the DJ or the radio host said to him, Why are you coming forward now when you had all this information in the past? And he said it's my understanding the government stopped killing people who came forward. Stopped killing people who talked about it. I don't mind stories in the neighborhood of being right back. Um but you know, and you know, that's what we heard for a long time, and a lot of people have come forward, but now we might be seeing something quite different than uh uh recently over the last year or two with these people disappearing or being suicided or whatever the case may be.

SPEAKER_02 56:46

I I kind of equated to uh, you know, I was a big Art and Bell fan back in the 80s and 90s, and uh, you know, he always referred to uh this uh as the quickening. And uh I think that's where we're at. You know, ever since December uh 2017 when uh you know uh Leslie uh Keene and Ralph Blumenthal um you know published the you know the famous New York Times article, um, you know, it's just ramped up and it just continues to uh to ramp up uh with you know whistleblowers. You get you know, David Grush and um Lou Elizondo and Dave Fraver, you know, testifying before Congress. And it's giving uh it's empowered other whistleblowers to come forward, and I hope they continue to do so, despite you know, uh what looks like it's you know, this issue with these missing scientists that's going on now. I know some may not be related, but there definitely are um you know there are definitely dots to connect within that that whole uh that that whole uh scenario.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

I certainly get this feeling that it's more of a scare tactic than anything. I think it's being shared. This is my personal opinion. Um I don't have I actually have no idea, but this is my personal thoughts on it. Is that it's being shared to kind of try to quiet people down a little bit. Um, but I think more than anything, it's just uh hyping people up and making people want to share more information more than anything.

SPEAKER_02 58:04

Well, I mean, if you look, uh the world economy runs on oil, and this technology threatens that uh for sure. And so I I understand why, you know, uh entities within the government and aerospace and and big oil, uh they want to keep this under wraps. Uh they've got a lot to lose. Um, and um so there's certainly an incentive there to keep you know anti-gravity research and and these kind of technologies out of pub of the public eye. So um so there you have a motive now, you know, for these disappearances. It's not you know all um you know, you know uh you know, love and light, uh, you know, as they say, you know, there's kind of a dark side to it. And unfortunately the dark side is on our side, you know. Um there may be a dark side to the the these entities, you know, what they're doing, but you know, uh certainly answer your question, Cameron, about why or is there a quickening technology?

SPEAKER_00 59:05

Everyone in the world's walking around with a cell phone and things are being taped every day and there's more and more technology, even the CERN super collider. They report about that they've actually made contact with another dimension. Right? You've both heard that and the that they opened another dimension, the other dimension knew we were looking. And so technology is opening doors every day, and I think possibly the powers that be or some powers that be, not all of them, want the information out there. And we have more and more whistleblowers, we have more and more you know, the internet's been a double-edged sword and which more people can communicate, more information and data can get out there, but on the other end of it, there's more fakery and lies, and you know, there's more that we have to filter out. There's more available, but there's more we have to you know filter out to find the truth.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:15

Well, and if I'm if I'm the military industrial complex as well, at the end of the day, there are certain technology that I don't want our adversaries to know anything about. I'm probably a lot of this technology that you wouldn't want any of your adversaries to know about. And if every Joe Schmoe had access to this technology, it would probably end the world pretty quick, um, considering you'd probably get into the hands of the wrong people. So I think about that side of it all the time. There are individuals like ourselves that just want full disclosure, we want all the information out there, but I also think about it from the other side. I I realize that might not be the best thing for everybody to know every single detail at the end of the day. Um, but uh considering the the company that we're in right now, I I am excited about full disclosure, and I would love to have a lot more disclosure on these topics. Um, and obviously that's a lot of the reason that you know Mufon does all this incredible work is to get more people this information and to and to share this accordingly. Um, so what do you foresee uh both of you, but what do you foresee the next one, two, three, ten years looking like in regards to disclosure uh on with with everything that's coming out as of late?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

I personally I think that some information will come out with Trump administration. I don't think major major stuff will come out, but some stuff and it'll keep the dialogue and the discussion going. Spielberg's movie will be another bump in the issue. Uh and then things tend to expand exponentially. So every little bit more that is added to the discussion, the discussion itself will grow and grow and grow. And the scientific community, which for the most part doesn't really believe in abduction or talk about it, they're just the scientific community now is just getting on board of the idea of UFOs being alien or interdimensional craft. And you have people who who booed it and naysayed it for decades who now are on board because they have other people within their scientific discipline who are giving it serious study. You know, just like John Mack opened doors twenty years ago or however long it was, probably more it was more than twenty years ago, thirty years ago. Um and you know, with every astrophysicist that gets on board, with every uh with every professional, with every expert, it'll open doors for more to get on board and uh you know continue growing exponentially.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:02

I I I can tell you this, uh with all of the experiencers that I've worked with over the last few years, um, there's a common theme. Um sometimes it's nuclear, uh, you know, put away your nuclear weapons and you know, uh that kind of thing. But uh I haven't had too many of those, but that definitely exists within, you know, within the realm of people that that I've I'm worked with. Um but the biggest thing is uh these abductees uh and contactees uh they have one singular message, uh it seems, and it's that they were they're told that they have a purpose. Um some something is going some event is going to happen in the very near future uh and they are part of it. Uh what that means, I have no idea, but it's interesting to hear this over and over and over from experiencers. And these experiencers that I work with, they have everything to lose. Um, you know, uh I they are college professors, university professors, they're attorneys. Um they they are all highly you know intelligent, high functioning individuals, and uh they have everything to lose by spill, you know, spilling this. Um so and I'm I'm very humbled to be able to talk to them. I mean, in some cases, the people that talk to me will tell me uh, first of all, the first thing they say is, you're not gonna believe this. I don't, I'm I don't know if I believe it myself. So uh and then you know the the the second thing is that um a lot of times they say this you're the first person that I've ever told this story to, which is I'm I mean it's so humbling that I I have the opportunity to give these people a platform to tell to talk about this because you know they can't talk to their friends, family, coworkers. They they might lose their job, they might lose their businesses, they could destroy their entire life by coming out with this. There's no incentive whatsoever for them to come out with this information. And there's markers across the board that link all these people together. Um, a lot of things that you you don't read in books, but and and I'm not gonna talk about here because I don't want to throw that out there, you know, and and muddy the you know the water, but um um this is this is real. This is not a fairy tale. This is this is really happening.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:15

I know we could spend another four hours discussing this topic. And for the sake of everyone's time this evening and probably the dinner that's heading the table here shortly, I want to be very respectful of your time. Um, but in closing tonight, is there anything else that you would both like to add that once again would just provide immense value to folks as they are reviewing this research um and also just maybe even starting their journey down this path of discovering new things, talking about aliens and the grays and the reptilians and everything else within.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:51

I gotta believe at some point I'm not gonna be anonymous anymore. Uh and I'm looking forward to. to talking about all of my experiences openly. And I'm looking forward to helping push the issue further and getting people to talk about it. Because it's not just, you know, people up in in the mountains and it's not just a few people. This is happening worldwide and it's happening to millions. Millions of people. And you have college professors in Switzerland telling the same stories as math teachers in Iowa as insurance agents in Africa. And go on and on with that. And there are politicians that have come forward. And there are celebrities that have come forward. And there I every walk of life you've had people come forward to tell their stories of abduction. Is everyone telling the truth? No. But no one tells the truth 100% of the time about anything. You know, so I don't mean individuals. I mean as an issue in its own so but there's a lot of people who and I'll guarantee you of the people who know they've been abducted there's a much much greater percentage of people around the world that have no clue they've been abducted. I I believe that I've been abducted many more times that I don't know about than the times I do know about.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:37

I would I would say um be um be careful what you see on the internet. You know I have the luxury of all the cases that I get that have videos and photos I have the luxury of being able to go in and analyze the metadata and in some cases you know GPS positions, times, you know, you know place them exactly where they were when they when they took the video or took the photo. The stuff that's floating around on the internet I'm sure a lot of it's valid. A lot of it is is AI. A lot of it is prosaic things. I see a lot of spotlights and you know I read the comments on some of these you know Reddit uh subreddits and uh on Instagram and you know I it's you know lens flares and and spotlights and you know things that are are easily explainable. But um like do your research um don't just take what you get off of the internet and make a decision based on that. There are a lot of organizations out there that are science based that I uh that I urge everyone to explore. One of them is the SCU the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies there's the Sol Foundation there's also the new Paradigm Institute you know Danny Sheehan uh set that up look look at the science uh and the then these these organizations that are doing scientific research on this um you know John Mack uh started started this uh you know back in the in the 80s with you know uh um you know re uh researching and and working with uh abductees and um so I I think if you lean more toward you know the take the scientific approach uh don't take the uh the internet approach and and don't believe everything that you're seeing on the internet because with AI now um yeah there's a lot of a lot of uh garbage and I guess when when people see the sensationalized clips that we're gonna obviously have from this episode listen to this part of it right go and do the research get this information use it as a way to kind of ignite that fire of sorts that'd be my thought process of it is ignite the fire but then go and find the people who are actually doing the scientific research behind it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:44

And that's obviously a lot a lot of the work that Mufon is doing is is incredible stuff and helps to to validate a lot of what John has experienced throughout his entire life. And uh once again I I really appreciate both of you jumping on to discuss this topic tonight. Not an easy one to discuss uh one that when I when I've shared with friends and I'm doing this this episode again they're they're still puzzled with me um as to why I continue to entertain these topics but these are the things that I and I love talking about because I know there's a lot more going on around us than we fully understand. And it's okay to ask the tough questions. Even if you're a highly religious andor spiritual individual it's okay to ask tough questions and maybe have your mind changed or your your understanding of of the universe changed with additional information that you receive from these kinds of conversations.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:35

Matt, I mean uh Cameron you have a copy of the report now you are certainly welcome to share it with your questionable your friends who question your motives um it it's science it's math it's facts and once you read the report it provides tremendous validation to the video and my story and my abduction I I will say like this report is it's really the beginning um it's not the end uh it's we you know we're we're not gonna put it on the shelf uh I hope that there are other researchers that will come out and and try to validate you know my you know my take on it uh I I would love for somebody to do a deep deep dive I I spent 10 you know 10 months and hundreds of hours and I I just barely scratched the surface of this thing. So anybody out there that that uh can add to it uh I I really welcome that I I want to know what else is in there if anyone's watching has connections at Samsung please reach out to us yeah um we would see quite frankly we want Samsung to analyze the phone right and that and let their video experts analyze it and see you know what they can find from it and and this the video was taken with a Samsung Galaxy S21 in 2021.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:06

At the time that was probably the most sophisticated camera on any cell phone at the time this wasn't some flip phone from you know the the late 90s this was uh this was a uh a really robust uh uh camera uh so the con camera in the comments I've done other podcasts and you know prior like yours prior to having the report and while the report now gives a tremendous validation many of the naysayers you know the comments are like would you take this with a record this with a potato you know the video is not great quality but you have to understand the room we were in was extremely dark didn't have any kind of extra night vision settings or anything on in addition there's likely some type of electromagnetic interference not only are we close to the cell phone tower but we're on an alien ship. Who who knows how our electronics work around their their equipment so I don't have answers I just have more questions.

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Wow well this is officially gonna be the best episode of the Cameron Brown show that I'm gonna release up to date as uh up to this point in time. And I am super pumped about sharing this with everybody and we're gonna keep the ball rolling here. Matt, once again thank you so much for spending 10 months deep diving into this and continuing to do research into it. The world needs more people like yourself to do this research and to validate these experiences. John again thank you so much for sharing and continuing to share your story. And I'm looking forward to future episodes where we have you back on because my audience is going to absolutely love this. So uh I I am pumped for that uh and once again really just appreciate you spending the time this evening to to dive deep into this thank you for having us Cameron and for getting the word out yeah thank you so much Cameron uh I I had a great time uh and thank you for letting us share this absolutely glad to have you on holy crap holy crap this is crazy