Could Ancient Stone Carvings Explain Modern UFO Sightings? | UFO Expert

A silver disc materializes on a bridge in the Florida Keys. Three beings step out. One tells him: "We are the WATCHERS." 

That's just one of the cases Matt Kellison has worked on as MUFON's Florida State Director - and he returns for a follow-up conversation to go even deeper into the files, the footage, and the encounters most people never hear about.

In this episode, we get into a 1970s Navy airman's missing weekend, ancient stone carvings that SHOULDN’T exist, government withholding information, and why MUFON keeps getting flooded with new reports.

We also go through:

- 8,500-year-old carvings in Mexico showing alien faces 🗿

- The 46 videos Congress demanded that still haven't surfaced

- Missing pregnancies and reported hybrid children 🫨

- The Pentagon’s video encounter no one's been allowed to see…

- The Watchers, the Nephilim, and the Book of Enoch

- Quantum imaging analysis of "streaming head" footage EXPOSED

- How to report a sighting or abduction yourself 👀

Matt’s findings are fascinating - you do not want to miss this one.

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Timestamps

0:00 Government UFO Footage, Time Travelers, and Ancient Aliens
3:24 Meet Matt Kellison: From Skeptic to UFO Researcher
5:52 The Ancient Alien Theory and Lost Civilizations
10:03 Are Grays Actually Future Humans?
14:55 Government Disclosure and Hidden UFO Evidence
19:08 Military Encounters and Credible UFO Witnesses
24:18 Childhood Encounters and Personal UFO Experiences
28:56 The Ariel School UFO Incident
33:32 Why People Dismiss the UFO Phenomenon
38:12 The Best UFO Cases Everyone Should Know
42:25 The Phoenix Lights and Mass Sightings
46:56 Consciousness, Psychic Abilities, and UFOs
51:21 Mediums, Remote Viewing, and Contact Experiences
55:47 Telepathy, Meditation, and Communicating with ETs
1:00:09 Ancient Egypt, Megaliths, and Advanced Civilizations
1:04:37 The Nazca Mummies Controversy
1:09:09 Why the Government Can't Hide the Truth Forever
1:13:57 Disclosure, Humanity's Future, and Final Thoughts
1:18:10 The Tic Tac UFO Encounter and Closing Conversation

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Back in April, Anna Polina Luna, uh House Oversight Committee, she wrote a memo requesting 46 high-resolution color videos. I believe one of them was a disc-shaped craft that pulled up right next to the cockpit window, and the pilots were able to look out. There was a transparent section of the disc and they could see the occupants inside, and then the thing flies off. There's so much stuff that needs to be released, and what we're getting is absolutely ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 0:27

Oh my gosh, it's actually being recognized by the government. I've been wrong my entire life. These people that are talking about UFOs might actually be onto something.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

If you take human evolution and fast forward at a million years, then the gray, large head, gigantic eyes, that is the direction that human beings, if given the chance, will evolve into. They could be time travelers from our future that are coming back here to kind of guide us so that they don't disrupt the future that they're from. You know, this was 4,000 years before the Mayan civilization even began. Technologically, you know, not very sophisticated, yet they have all these intricate carvings that show all kinds of strange things. One stone in particular has these alien faces. They look like grays.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

In my opinion, I believe that wholeheartedly that the government knows, and they've just passed off that information to private entities.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

The start of our civilization, it started with these megalithic structures that we can't even build today. That just makes no sense to me. So obviously, there was another technologically advanced society, whether they were humans, maybe they were ETs, maybe they were something else that was here.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Matt, welcome back for another episode of the Cameron Brown show. I think this is gonna be like episode 78 or 79. I'm not entirely sure quite yet, but this is gonna be a really fun one for uh as a follow-up episode to the last one with John, in which that episode has done very well and it's gotten a lot of great visibility online. Seems like there's a lot of people that are interested in UFOs and um the UAPs, whatever we want to refer to them as nowadays, um, and obviously just the unknown. But uh I appreciate you coming back for another episode.

SPEAKER_00 2:10

Cameron, thank you so much for having me back. Yeah, I'm very excited about uh being here with you tonight.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Fantastic. Well, Matt, we we know the we both know there's a million different directions we can go in, and you brought up um some interesting rocks at the very beginning uh of our of our introduction tonight. So I want to kind of just start there because I think that's a good uh transition from the previous episode and what was experienced by John and what you've now heard more about, learned more about, etc. So let's let's start there and then we'll we'll take this conversation in a bunch of different fun directions tonight. Oh, based off of all your experiences.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

Right on. Um so yeah, last week uh, or actually a couple of weeks ago, I got an email from um uh gentleman one um who I I don't know if he saw your podcast or one of the other uh presentations that I did, but um um he saw the uh uh John's video. So if you'll recall, there was that 100-frame section that Stephen Leah had analyzed and broke down uh these streaming heads coming out of what essentially was a toroidal um spin feature or wormhole. And really creepy, it's probably the most creepy part of the whole video. And uh so anyway, this this uh gentleman sent me uh some links to this uh researcher, scientist named Trevor Hawk.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Um he is working with um some archaeologists. They uncovered these stones down in Jalisco, Mexico, which is central Mexico. Uh they've carbon dated these stone carvings to about 8,500 years ago. And this one stone in particular has these alien faces, they look like grays, uh, just the heads, and it looks identical to this streaming what Steven calls the uh cranio Maxillo facial amalgamates.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

You say that five times fast. Holy cow. I've tried everything that he sent over to us. I've tried I've tried to just like read through it really quickly, and like I'm like, I can't. I have to take my time to better understand what he's sharing with us because it's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

It's a lot. Right. Yeah, absolutely. Uh so this really caught my eye, and uh, I sent it over to Stephen and he looked at it and he was really blown away by the whole thing, and he did some runs on the actual picture and found some interesting things. Um, but what I thought was interesting is this this rock, you know, they decarbonated, like I said, to 8,500 years ago. Uh at the time, you know, this was 4,000 years before the Mayan civilization even began. Uh so these people that were living in central Mexico at that time were hunter-gatherers, they were just getting over the ice age, um, technologically, you know, not very sophisticated. And yet they they have all these intricate carvings that show all kinds of strange things, including these alien heads. So uh I thought that was pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

Fantastic. Is there, are you doing another deep dive into this right now, or is this just uh another experience, um uh another conversation you're having on a day-to-day basis, or is this something you're actually gonna spend a lot of time on moving forward?

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Uh there are a lot of tangents uh that I go off on, and you know, I just have to kind of curb my uh uh my enthusiasm, so to speak.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

And welcome to tangents neutral, man. That's what we do here.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, it's definitely something that I'd like to research a little further.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Okay. Awesome, awesome. But maybe not 10 months on a specific topic like you did with John.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

You never know.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

You never know, you never know. Um, yeah, there there are so many different things to pick and choose from. And and I I think when I on my YouTube deep dives on an evening, I can find something new. Um actually, I went back to crop circles recently because I just like had this for whatever reason, I was like, I have I know about crop circles. I've watched plenty of videos on crop circles, but I I after watching one of the Why Files episodes, I didn't realize that I didn't really deep dive into crop circles like I wanted to. Um, and uh they were kind of diving into and talking about during the Why Files episode how um the the British the group of individuals that were like creating the crop circles had a lot of unknowns about them. They would create them, but they couldn't create them perfectly. Um they basically, after one was created, they'd act like they did it, but it was very clearly not them. Um there's just a lot of deception involved with the crop circles. So I do kind of want to start there, oddly enough, because crop circles has become a topic that I've thought a lot about as of late, but don't really know which direction to go in, um, even though it seems like a lot of them happen in the the UK in general. But would love to know your your general thoughts on crop circles.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

Well, it's interesting. I think back in the 80s when they started appearing, um there was a lot of research into them. And then right off the bat, it seems like you had those two guys that uh admitted that they staged the whole thing and they took um, I think the BBC news crew out and with a board with a couple of ropes tied onto it and showed how they mashed down the you know the patterns. But and and and because of that, everybody kind of dismissed it at like oh crop circles are solved, and it really tainted all of the research from from there on because every you know it um you know kind of lost credibility. But in actuality, the research that researchers that have continued to this day, um they've noticed some significant um uh characteristics to actual crop circles that are really unexplained. Um they're not these wheat um um wheat, um um strands of wheat are not broken, they are like mole molecularly changed. Like they intertwined, right? Right, yeah. So that not only on the surface, but so on the surface they're bent, like but they're they're they're formed like that, like the the the molecules in in the stem actually curve, they're not broken. And the same goes to the root systems. When they dig these things up, they notice that they it actually curves the opposite direction. So there's some kind of um polarity that's involved there. Um so and that that's one of the one of the key signs that it versus you know, the real versus the you know the hoax um you know version. So I've always found that really fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

It it seemed like they immediately like the whoever it was that wanted to cover this up, was like, hey guys, listen, this is what you're gonna do. We're gonna pay you a bunch of money. You're gonna be the crop circle guys. It's kind of what it seems like. We're just gonna put you know, to keep people from going down this rabbit hole or thinking there's any validity to this. We just want you to go start making crop circles and make it seem like it's something you're doing. Um, but it was very clear that none of their crop circles were like perfectly aligned like the the actual crop circles. Um they were not perfectly symmetrical in any way, shape, or form at any point with any of them that they did. Um but people could very clearly tell later on they're like, there's no way that you're making these. There's no way.

SPEAKER_00 9:10

Yeah, and the thing is they stay there for years, even after the crop's been harvested, you know, two or three years later, like they it's still there. Um so I I I think that's that's really cool. And then they've had cases where farmers have been out in their fields and they make a pass and they turn around and all of a sudden there is this gigantic crop circle that has just instantly appeared in in seconds. I mean, and this would take somebody days or weeks to um mimic these intricate patterns.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Well, wasn't it though that we sent out um basically a message into the universe and then with the message that were returned basically just showed their um their their planet, the uh it was like carbon, I believe, or it basically was just showing like the the kind of um civilization that exists there. Um but it was like 27 light years away, and I think we got it like 29 or 30 years later, literally.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Right. And it was uh I think it was SETI that sent that out, um, search for extraterrestrial intelligence. And and it basically had, you know, it showed the human DNA, the um uh and then also you know where we are within our star system. And I think they they located or they basically put a binary map of where we are based off of a bunch of pulsars in the area. So uh and yeah, it was return, but it was when the return image that was in the crop circle was modified a little bit. And I can't recall exactly what the modifications were, but uh it was basically their version of the same thing back to us.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Uh it looks like an ET versus a human because ours was like looks like a human, theirs like looks like an ET. Correct. And there were some other things that were changed that to your point.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

Yeah, and there was a warning with it, if I'm not mistaken, um about technology or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

It seems like the warning keeps popping up across the board. It seems like the the warning comes from, and I talked talked about that kind of at length with Kathleen on the last episode, and you know, it seems like the experiencers across the board, the vast majority of which are given a warning um of some kind about how you know we are treating the planet, about treating the planet better, being better to the environment, being careful around nuclear weapons, and obviously this pops up all the time, but it seems like a lot of these things started occurring after World War II, kind of around World War II and after World War II. Um so it's very clear that there's a nuclear connection of sorts. Uh, but is that been from a lot of the your experiences and conversations you've had with experiencers, has that been pretty much the same thing, or is it you know occasional directions?

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Occasionally there'll be a uh a message like that with the experiences I've worked with. Um, you know, similar to the Ariel School uh uh incident that happened uh uh Rua Zimbabwe back in 1994, I believe, uh where the children were given the message, you know, take care of the planet, nuclear weapons are bad, you're putting you're polluting, yeah, you know, you're putting pollutants into the atmosphere. And so it was a warning of you know, a global warming sent through message to these children. Um I've had one or two that were similar to that, uh, but I can tell you across the board, uh when these experiencers tell me about their abductions and the it's always telepathic communication from uh the ETs or the the beings. I'm not sure if they're even extraterrestrial, you know, they may be from here for all we know. But uh they were they're given the message across the board pretty much, you have a job to do. And I know this was similar to you know what John experienced, the message that he received. Um, so you have a job to do, you have a mission. Uh one experience said they they told him you agreed to this, which I thought was interesting. Um his soul agreed to it. Yeah, and uh yeah, uh another person told me um that they told that they told them when the time comes, you will you will have a purpose. Uh and then another another experiencer said that they were told they have sp uh a special purpose. So it's really interesting. Um so yeah, definitely there's an environmental and the nuclear aspect of that. Um, but it seems like these, you know, these uh experiencers, these abductees and contactees, that they're chosen for a reason. And a lot of times when I talk to them, there's nearly always a generational link. Like um either they've caught their kids um saying something. This one experiencer said that her granddaughter um drew out of the blue, like four years old, draw a drew a picture of a gray, big eyes, round, you know, head. And she asked, What was that? And she said, Um, the granddaughter said, Um, I went on a spaceship last night, and this is who took me. So yeah. And then also in the other direction, you know, uh grandparents or parents uh that have had the same experiences. And you know, those older generations are are kind of tight-lipped about it. I think that uh, you know, the stigma for them is you know, is huge.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

Um, you know, nowadays we're we're getting more and more experiencer cases because you know, things like the uh the Pentagon UFO releases that we've had in the last month and a half. Um, you know, it's it's kind of empowered people to come out and tell their stories. And we are in Florida, we're we are inundated with experiencer cases right now. We've got um, well now we have five um um of us that are on the experiencer resource team, the ERT, that's the um uh organization within MUFON that Kathleen Martin um uh she established that. That that's that was because of her. Um but um yeah, we're we're getting a lot now. Uh so much so that I mean we can barely we can barely handle it.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Yeah, and I think this is where like I I'm trying not to go too um too far down any specific rabbit hole necessarily, uh, because I know there's a million different directions we can take this in. But you mentioned earlier just to talk about this, and I did talk about this with Kathleen too, but extra, ultra, and interdimensional. Those seem to be like the three keywords right now. Are there any others that I'm that I'm missing just from that from that list before we kind of dive into those?

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Well, uh Dr. Michael P. Masters, um, he's a professor, I think he's an anthropology professor in I don't know if it's University of Montana, um, but he's written several books. One of them was called the Extra Tempestrial.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

I don't know, was that one of the ones that you're extraterrestrial, ultraterrestrial, and interdimensional. Okay, so you said extra what was that?

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Extra tempestrial. So what um Dr. Michael? Yeah, what Dr. Michael's um has theorized is that if you take human evolution and fast forward at a million years, then the gray, the eight uh archetypal gray being, large head, gigantic eyes, small uh small ears, small mouth, um, you know, small nose, uh, that that is the direction that human beings, if given the chance, will evolve into. And so his theory is that uh they could be time travelers from our future that are coming back here to kind of guide us so that they don't disrupt the future that they're from.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

So that would be its own category, then, is what we're basically saying. It would not be of the other three in any way, shape, or form. But they could also slightly be interdimensional if they were traveling using dimensional portals.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

I think the interdimensional part really boils down to the the way that they travel. And you know, I obviously they're you know, if they're from somewhere else, they um are exceeding the limits that Einstein established with the speed of light. We know that that can be broken, first of all, when uh they um were able to demonstrate uh Einstein's entanglement theory, or what do you call it, spooky X and at a distance. They realize that, hey, these entangled particles, no matter how far away they are in the universe, if you adjust the spin and polarity of one, the other one instantly changes to match. And that exceeds the speed of light, so there must be some other form of communication in between there. So uh and so I think that maybe the mode of travel that these uh entities are using could be interdimensional.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Um some form of quantum entanglement of some kind.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

That could allow very well, yeah, very well could be. And then going back to John's video, and then we may have talked about this you know before on on the episode with um with him, but that um that those stream of heads that are coming out of that uh wormhole inside the craft that's you you can't see with a naked eye, but with this quantum analysis, you you know, they become visible. I've often thought that it's possible that that is some form of like transmission that creates a solid object in in our world, or or maybe maybe it's the same universe that these these beings are from. But if you could imagine uh a you know, like in like Star Wars, uh you know, I hate to bring up science fiction analogies, especially when we're talking about stuff seriously. But I mean I've dracked in Star Wars, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:39

We've already created all that technology exists, right? Has that not been reset by multiple military community military community multiple times? Like it's it's very clear that it exists, we're just not privy to it. Right, absolutely. That's my personal opinion, at least.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

So I I thought that, you know, maybe this is something like um like the hologram technology in Star Wars when they can beam a transmission, uh live transmission across the galaxy, and you can have a three-dimensional view of this person that's kind of a blue ghost-like figure, but then you can interact. And I thought, you know, what if whatever is coming out of this wormhole is the actual matrix that makes up the reality aboard that ship? Maybe it's what's creating that ship so that we can see. Um, and it's you know, physical, you know, you know, it it takes physical form, but it's a transmitted physical form. And then I mean you could also use the other analogy of the Star Trek holodeck. You know, it's while they're in there, it's real, you can touch things, you know, uh they have mass, but uh, but they're actually an illusion. And and I thought, well, maybe that's part of their technology that you know that they're using. So but just complete conjecture, you know, it's all it's all bizarre and and and and beyond, I think, our our level of understanding, even at the uh you know, you know, PhD level.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

So but it is fun to try to understand what's going on. Yeah, um, and it's fun to ask questions, and it's fun to go down these rabbit holes and have these conversations. I think a lot of people will get caught up in it too. And that's like one of the one of the biggest things that I'm trying to get across, and especially these these episodes right now, too, is it's okay to go down the rabbit holes, um, but you kind of have to you have to figure out a way back to base reality, at least to like uh understand that like, yes, these things are possible, but it's it this is where we are right now, and that's and that's okay too. And to have some level of discernment between what is true and what's not. And I keep hearing um, I've heard this a couple of times now, that there's like a lot of infiltration. I asked Kathleen about this as well, there's a lot of infiltration into groups like MUFON, I'll just put it out there, and into other organizations to try to discredit the work that you all are doing by basically putting bad actors uh within the groups. Like this happens in the government, this happens in any organization, right? Uh where there are obviously you know malicious, malevolent groups that want to discredit those who are actually doing good work, and that tends to be when you're hovering over the truth, right? Just in general. Um, so I would love for you to address that as well. I'd love to know your thoughts on uh potential bad actors, other countries that are trying to place individuals within you know organizations that are doing good work like this. Um but how do you how do you all address that and you know help with you know people trying to discern between what is right and what is wrong that they hear about?

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Well, I mean, as far as our field investigators, we've got a we've got 20 field investigators in Florida. Um they're they're vetted pretty well. Um, you know, they all get background checks and and um uh and then you know we're working side by side with them every day. Um uh mostly virtual, but we do uh we do get to meet in person every once in a while. Um but they're they're well established and you know they're doing phenomenal work. So we really haven't had a case where I suspected uh that there was maybe some Um you know, some misdirection or some you know misrepresentation. Right. Um I I haven't had that at all uh since since I've been state director for Florida. But not to say that it couldn't occur, but it I think MUFON does a really good job of vetting uh you know people. Uh if you have a uh any kind of anything in your background, uh chances are you you won't make it to the field investigator level. Um so uh any kind of criminal record for sure. But um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Well it seems like it's a lengthy process too to become like a member of the team uh as well. And obviously you've got a lot of credibility um with your background and uh and all that you've done. Um but uh that is it is good to know that it's such a lengthy process to get involved and to be able to join the team accordingly. Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

So cool. Um we talked about all the things that were seen in John's video before the frogs, the reptilians, the grays, all the experiences there. Um can we I want to go to the Nordics for a bit and talk about the Nordics because I don't feel like we've we've discussed like people keep mentioning the Nordics, but I don't think people really understand like the structure here um that is being observed. Um so what are your thoughts on the Nordics? And then let's just kind of dive into each category from from there, if you don't mind.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

Yeah, it's interesting. Um, well, of course, and I can't remember if we talked about it on the program with John last time, but uh he had an experience with uh Nordic in New York City. Uh does that ring about, but that's good to uh I'm uh I'll go ahead and share that. John, I hope that's it's okay that I share this. I'm sure he won't be. Right. Uh but this uh I I can't remember what year it was back in the late 80s, early 90s, perhaps. Uh but he was um and I'm doing this for memory. I don't have any notes on this, so John, forgive me. But this is the gist of it is he was walking along Columbus Avenue on the uh west side of Central Park in New York City. Uh he got to a crosswalk and it he said it was absolutely jammed. There were you know hundreds of people around. And there was this one person that on the opposite side of the street, that uh very tall, like seven-ish, you know, maybe more uh you know, you know, feet tall, uh blonde hair, he said that he looked like the model, the male model Fabio. Uh he had a leather bomber jacket on, and um uh he said that when the light changed, um and and John noticed this being. At the time he was reading UFO books and stuff, he had all these experiences throughout his life, so he was familiar with uh, you know, a lot of the you know what's going on with ufology. And he said that when he saw this individual, the thought had popped into his head, um, that's a Nordic. And he said the minute he thought that, he said, this um n blonde, you know, Fabio looking uh Fabio looking gentleman turned and like locked eyes with him and stared at him the whole time. And then when they got to the other side of the street, uh John you know stopped and the crowd dissipated, and he turned around and he said that that being, that person, was standing on the opposite corner just staring him down. And he and then he he turned around and got out of there pretty quick. But uh, so that that's one Nordic story that was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

I watched another one recently. A guy that said he saw one on a um uh it was actually he went on Jesse Michaels' show, um, and he mentioned to Jesse Michaels that he saw uh a Nordic on a an island in Washington State, right out right outside well, right outside of Seattle. Um, and um said he saw a Nordic and basically like they locked eyes telepathically. The guy the Nordic told him to turn around and he turned around immediately. But apparently there's like this lore on this particular island that there are, you know, the Nordics were like there's like a Nordic that walked into a bar and had like a couple drinks with the people at the bar, and they the guys at the bar all talk about it all the time. Um, so it was just it's just kind of interesting to hear kind of stories like that. But it was the Nordics kind of kept to themselves in this like gated community of sorts that was more military and government oriented on that particular island in Seattle. So I'm not sure if you've heard of anything like that throughout your studies.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Um, I can't remember where I heard it from, and it maybe it had been the same Jesse Michaels um episode that you were watching, but um yeah, there there was some I I guess there was uh one of the um actually they were they weren't Nordics, they were humans. That um there was a group of humans that I guess had been uh their ancestors were enslaved uh thousands of years ago. They were taken off uh man, maybe maybe by the Nordics. Um they were taken off Earth and then they've um they were brought back, and then some of them had escaped and they're living among us. I thought that was pretty interesting, and I'm sorry I don't have more details on that, but um Yeah, that's that's a good one for an entire episode as well. So yeah, absolutely. Um there were some I I did a uh experiencer case last year uh with a gentleman um very, very credible. Uh I won't mention his line of work uh because I don't want him to be identified in any way, but um he reported a um historical abduction. This was um 1978, uh I think August of 1978. And at the time he was in the Navy, he was stationed at Naval Air Station uh uh Key West, which is in Boca Chica. Interesting, that's right right there where John's uh incident took place. Uh but like I said, this was late 70s. He worked um he was in the he was an airman in the Navy, so enlist enlisted guy, uh worked on these RAF or R R F four Cs, I believe, um uh or possibly A5s, but the fighter jets down there back in the back in the day. Uh he got a weekend pass, his fiancee lived in Fort Lauderdale, and so Friday evening he left the base and started driving on A1A up to the Florida Keys. When he got just south of Marathon, he noticed a um like a weird group of lights that were, he said they were roiling, uh just spinning around each other. And uh he kept his eye on them, and uh they uh at some point shot off and went below the horizon to the north. So at this point where the Florida Keys are, the f Florida Keys down on that area kind of, even though it's A1A is northbound, you know, the highway is actually kind of east-west at that point before it curves up to go to Miami. So these things sped off to the north, and so he was so amazed by it, he he got to a bridge just before Marathon called Little Duck Key. And the the bridge was called the Knights Key Bridge, and he pulled off, he went over it, and there were some fishermen standing on the bridge. He parked on the on the north side or really the east side, and walked out onto the bridge to talk to these fishermen. And the fishermen had seen these lights too, and they started talking about it. While they were talking about it, they started noticing that on the south side of the bridge, um they started hearing their voices echo off of something. And so these fishermen, I think, may have been drinking, and uh so they started uh in his words, uh uh the experiencers' words, he said they started hooting and hollering just to listen to their voice. That aligns with Florida. Right, right. Yeah, Florida man. Yeah, um, and so the experiencer decided to yell out, he said, Come on down. And he said, as soon as he said that, this this gigantic silver disc materialized right in front of them and he started hearing a tapping sound. He looked over, the fishermen were frozen in place, and there were these orbs that started circle these these like golf ball-sized lights that started circling his body at his feet. And as they started to move up, I mean he became paralyzed, and as they started to get to where his face was, as these things would come by, he could see the bridge and the fishermen, but then he could also see superimposed on that another reality. And then eventually when these when these orbs got above his head, like he was not on the bridge anymore. He was standing inside of a room, uh possibly a space, possibly the spaceship that was hovering there. He said it was gigantic. Um there were three beings, a two um males and one female. The female was in the center, uh, the males were flanking her, but they he described them they kind of like Nordics. Um they walked over to him, and the the the female entity walked, he said they were beautiful, all of them were beautiful, walked right up to his face, and he thought to himself, Who are you? And in his head he heard, We are the watchers. And that's his last memory. And his next memory is now this was a Friday night, his next memory was um standing in the barracks at uh at the air at Naval Air Station on Monday morning in uniform getting ready to go to work. Absolutely no memory of what happened over the over the weekend. Uh, I suspect that he probably went to you know visit his fiancee in Fort Lauderdale and had a normal weekend, and then like, but his memory didn't come back until Monday morning.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

So that's wild. Yeah. Um and the watchers get brought up often, especially in like the Book of Enoch, too.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

Yeah, and it's interesting that um, you know, Anna Polina Luna, uh, she's on the House Oversight Committee, and she's uh and she's also on this uh um I can't remember the exact title, but it's the um committee for you know release uh yeah of cla of over classific uh overclassification or or classified items. And so, you know, JFK, uh Epstein, and then UFO. And one of her tweets, I think earlier this year, mentioned uh the Book of Enoch. And of course, and you I know you've you've read it, uh lots of other of your listeners have, but you know, the book of Enoch um mentions the Watchers, they um are um like a human um uh uh angelic hybrid uh called the Nephilim. And that's their that's their whole thing. They're with us, you know, and they're watching over us.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

So yeah, it's just the more that I do this too, and I don't know that there's there are like moments where you kind of I kind of freeze up. I'm like, oh my gosh, you just connect the dots on things too, and you hear of an experience that's specific, you're like, wow, that's a very specific example of you know the watchers or um once again the Nephilim or these these creatures or these beings, and obviously the Bible mentions the Nephilim specifically. Um and so when you can you kind of when you kind of uh cross-reference different texts and experiences with one another, and they all start to come together in your brain, it's like the dots start to connect, and you're like, wow, there really is something here. There is more going on. I've heard about it for a long time, but it was it's hard to connect all the dots with with just the little bits of information. So the more that I gather, the more I'm amazed with how connected all of this is. Um, I am I just want to I want to touch on this real quick from a spirituality and a religious perspective. Like I obviously am I well personally, I'm a Christian. I believe in God, dramatically believe in God at this point in my life. I think more than anything, the more that I learn, the more I'm like, yep, God's definitely real, 100%. I was like, God created all these things, and all these things are wonderful. We just are evolving to under to slowly better understand them, is kind of what my opinion is of it. But I would like to know what kind of your spiritual transformation has been like, maybe throughout learning all of these things and just over time as well. If you don't mind sharing.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

Not at all. Um let's see. Um I guess uh probably when I was a kid. Um so I grew up um originally I grew up in a Southern Baptist church. My parents, at some point, I think probably when I was in my early teens, decided that they were tired of um uh hellfire and damnation, and they decided to uh start going to a Methodist church. So I was raised in a Methodist church. Uh I went through um, you know, um, you know, studied and uh went through the confirmation process and and then I think at some point in my life, um probably later on in high school, uh, you know, I just had these questions like, you know, none a lot of this stuff within, you know, the the the Bible, it it just doesn't make any sense. And so I I kind of drifted away. Um and then in 19 uh 93, um um my and I I I don't want to go back, I I kind of had lost my feeling for you know, well maybe maybe this is all you know BS. Yeah. And and so fast forward to 1992, I'm 25 years old, my dad had um been diagnosed with cancer, um, and I was with him when he passed. Um and when I was holding his hand, and when he took his last breath, he sat straight up, looked, looked up at the ceiling, and I cannot even begin to exp describe what I felt. I felt his soul leave his body and and and then I knew he was gone. And the body that I was sitting there holding hands with, that wasn't my dad anymore, because I experienced my dad's uh transformation from this world to the next. And it changed me um spiritually. Uh it it it had a dramatic effect, and I and from that day on I realized, wow, I don't have anything to worry about. There there is another side, I don't know what's on the other side, but um I don't have to worry about um if there is or not. I know there is. And um, and so you know it it's comforted, it's it's comforted me for you know thir 30 plus years. Um but and and so I think that's where I I I I am today, you know. Um I I don't I don't know w what is there, but I do know that it's it's there and it's and it's good.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Yeah, and it's it's grand and it's absolutely yeah. I'm I'm so I think I'm I'm I'm right there with you. I just know that it is, and you're like that's a that's a very comforting feeling for me as well. Um but um but that is that seem seems to come up a lot uh with a lot of my conversations, especially with people's upbringing and how they've you know transformed over time and the different things they've experienced and their perspective and their belief systems. And I just I like to dive into that a little bit because I think it's super important, especially as we are all starting to come closer together and learn more about each other and people are becoming it, but it seems to be a lot more authentic as time goes on, too. And as like especially a lot of these older experiencers are starting to share their experiences as well. Absolutely. I think it's just super important to have this conversation too. Um so I appreciate I appreciate you sharing. Um with that, I I don't know how much it like throws people off, but there are a lot of people, it seems like in the the church nowadays too that um uh that are frustrated with like the the physical church too, like the building of the church, right? And um because of the fact they've been like led astray for so long by human beings. I'm like, you can't human beings are gonna lead you astray regardless. I was like, we are we're in a world full of you know you know deception and and and hatred and um you know all these different sinful behaviors, right? Like, but it's just amazing to me that people still trust in humans so much, I guess, at the end of the day, but as it relates to like their spirituality and their beliefs. It's like you have there's so much more to believe in, and you're able to do that. You don't have to follow a certain human uh all day every day. Yeah, of course. But we'll I'll digress from that topic. That's an entirely different podcast. Back to experiences um specifically. Uh in regards to you know, all that you all the research that you've done, are there a couple other cases that you you tend to want to share because you think they have a profound impact on what people uh on you know people trying to understand what's going on. But are there a couple of different experiences that you tend to share with most people to help them to better understand, hey, this is all very real. This is being experienced by by people at all levels.

SPEAKER_00 39:08

Yeah, I the what's interesting is most of the experiencers that I work with, um, like they're all professional. They're all super intelligent. You know, they have um you know that in in common pretty much across the board. Um what's interesting is um there's a big connection with uh Native American and Indigenous peoples. Um I don't know what that is, not not all, but I'd say probably 30 to 40 percent of the experiencers I talked to have some kind of Native American uh indigenous uh heritage uh or Canadian um indigenous uh heritage. Um I thought that was interesting. And it it's Lou Elizondo, when he wrote his book uh a few years ago, Eminent, he spoke about that too. The the members on the uh UAP task force. Um I think all of them were descendants of cher uh the Cherokee or had some kind of connection to Cherokee. Um so I know that that um you know um Native American spirit spirituality and I mean that that comes into play, and I don't know if that there's a specific gene that makes them more connected uh or or what, but uh I found that very interesting. The other thing that I found interesting was um there's a nuclear connection, not so much a warning, um, but it's within the the within the family of some of these experiences. So um one experience I worked with, um uh one of their parents worked for the Reagan administration and um had some input on uh some of the uh non-nuclear pro proliferation agreements, uh, you know, start and uh you know some of those. Um and then you know, another uh another experience of their their um uh I think their father was a submarine uh nuclear submarine commander. Uh there's another experiencer that uh grew up next to um uh or near the I think it's the Susquehanna nuclear power plant uh in Pennsylvania. Um and then like all of their family for you know had worked there since its inception. And um uh and so I thought that was an interesting connection. Um but yeah, the the the nuclear thing is is is odd. Um and it's not just craft hovering over a nuclear power plant or shutting down nuclear missiles. I mean, now they're they're you know dealing with people that just have some kind of loose, you know, maybe a profound connection or even a loose connection to nuclear power.

SPEAKER_01 41:40

But um is there also there's like a there's there's something to be said though for you mentioned the obviously the spirituality of the Indian community, and I think that's that's certainly a part of it. I've just been seeing stuff as well recently about the psychic abilities and the spiritual abilities of those that live in more rural areas and or are more disconnected from like the the larger populations. Um maybe that has to do with like 5G and other things as well, and different you know, um signals being sent out in mass to large groups of people. But it seems like a lot of experiences and a lot of things actually happen to people that are in more like rural areas as well. Is that have you seen that connection at all?

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Um I honestly I think it's about 50-50. I mean, some of these abductions occur I mean over really populated areas, um, you know, where you'd think that there would be uh you know hundreds of witnesses. But um I'm I'm sure you and uh many of your um the people watching your podcast have seen um you know Bob Lazar, the S4 uh, you know, documentary. Great documentary. One of the things that uh really struck me with that was when Bob Lazar was talking about, you know, uh when they were flying the sport model and he walked out of the hangar and his um supervisor uh told him to go and walk underneath it. And as he walked underneath it, it disappeared. And then he took and he and he thought, oh, it flew away, and then he took a few steps back and it reappeared. So these things obviously have the ability to bend or you know, light somehow, or manipulate light um or reflected light. And so I think that's how they get away with you know doing this stuff in like really populated areas. I had the experiencer that I worked with uh back in 2023, she was abducted uh back in the 90s um in Chicago, you know, right next to O'Hare Airport uh in Schomburg. And um, you know, they pulled her out of the bedroom uh in in the middle of the night and took her aboard a craft and uh she was examined. Uh she um and then she was put into a large a larger room uh where she was with other uh abductees, and she said above them there was uh a whole bunch. Of like observation windows, and she could see um uh these grays that were looking, you know, you know, many, many of these beings that were looking down uh at whatever you know they were doing. And then she was put into like a coffin-like tube. And um the next thing she knew, she woke up in her bed. Um but uh it would be like there's there's so many of them though.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

There's like so many of these experiencers that especially now to your point earlier, there are a lot more coming forward, but there's so many of these people across the board. This is and a lot of just this these people are this is for Florida specifically. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so I can't imagine what other states are like for for MUFON as well.

SPEAKER_00 44:41

Um what's interesting is one of the questions that we ask is if you had the chance, would you have would would you like your abduction experiences or your contact experiences to end? And pretty much across the board, they all say no. And I, you know, it's it's kind of not yeah, I didn't expect it at first, but then when you know I ask dozens of people and they all give me the same answer, um, you know, that basically they all say, yeah, it's uncomfortable. I feel like I'm you know being violated. However, I want to know why. And the only way to try to figure that out is to have them continue. Um so I that that's very interesting. I mean, these people are essentially getting kidnapped out of their homes multiple times. Um, not to mention that just about every woman that I work with uh who has had these experiences, they all have um some kind of reproductive health issue uh in their life. Um, you know, uh unexplained surgeries. Uh one woman told me she went to her O B G Y N and uh after an examination, the physician said, You didn't tell me that you had uh tubal ligation surgery. And she said, I didn't. I've never had surgery. And he looked at her like she was, you know, lying to him. You know, um there were there lots of um that uh women that tell me that oh they were unable to conceive until after an abduction and then they you know were able to get pregnant, or the opposite of that. Um they'd you know had had children and then all of a sudden um they can't, they go to the you know the OBGYN and they're told, Oh, you you will never have children because there's too much you know scar tissue, right? Um, you know, that kind of thing. Um and then very rarely uh there is um uh a missing pregnancy, and that is absolutely horrific, you know, for for these women. Um a lot of miscarriages as well. So I mean it it takes its toll on on the on these people. I mean it's you know, it's not it we I mean it's we have to take this seriously because it is uh you know a lot of these these people are so traumatized by this. Right.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

Um I did I asked that question of Kathleen, I said, are these are all you know are these benevolent creatures and beings? And it seemed like in general that you know uh a lot of these creatures do seem to be benevolent. It seems like they do have good intentions. She referred to it or compared it to like taking your dog into the vet and helping your dog to like stay, you know, the you know, cure an illness or to upgrade your dog's health in some way. We are kind of like those those pets or those animals or creatures to whoever this is or whatever this is. Um and I and to a certain degree I kind of aligned with I get I get that, like, but in like the miscarriage situation where they're not actually curing something, they're actually causing an issue, that makes me think that there is obviously some some negative energy in in addition to the positive energy that might be a little bit of both going on here across the board.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

Yeah, and and there's many um uh uh abductees experiencers that um that have had missing pregnancies. And I I have not worked with an experiencer that had this, but I we've there's certainly many, many documented cases of this where they are taken aboard a craft and then they're shown uh like a human ET hybrid and they're told this is yours, and they need them to help nurture um this this baby, um, you know, and um and to to me I think it's heartbreaking, you know, it's just absolutely heartbreaking. So and when I hear when you talk to these people, um you can hear it in their voice. Um, you know, when somebody is pulling your leg or trying to put you know, or you know, making up a story, these people, and first of all, they tell they tell the same the same stories, you know, and uh a lot of things that I won't even mention here that um um because I don't want to kind of muddy the waters for you know people, you know. But um yeah, they you can hear it in their voice. It's a traumatic uh event for them. And in some cases, like they live their whole lives with this, and they can't tell anybody. Um a lot of times their family members, um, you know, they try to tell their family members, and their family members cannot deal with it. Um they tell their friends and then they're not friends with them anymore. And and then obviously if they you know they bring it up at work, uh they lose they you know have the risk of losing their jobs. So um, and I'm so fortunate, I'm so humbled by the having having these people uh tell me um you know their story because a lot of times they'll tell me, hey, this is the first time I've ever told anyone. And boy, I tell you, I just uh it it just gets me. I I I just feel for these people and I try to do everything I can to reassure them and and uh well I think this is this is really good too.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

And once again, whoever's listening to this as well has obviously an outlet. They have people to go talk to, right? Like yourself, and that are not gonna judge you too. And there's like there's like a therapist and then there's this, right? I don't know, I don't know how many people even tell their therapist these things either. Um, but um I even think about like for my myself, like growing up with you know, night terrors and other things that occurred that I rarely talked with people about. And I'm starting to open up a lot more about them now because I feel more comfortable doing it because I'm I'm comfortable in my own skin now. But you know, you it wasn't always the case, right? Um but I think a lot of that takes time, regardless of the experience, to be able to open up about it and share it with people. So it's it's you know good on people to be actually be actually able to share these stories and experiences, especially with individuals like yourself, who can then help them to realize they're not alone either. Um but I I a lot of this when I think about this, I think about human trafficking too. A lot of that's you know, it obviously may be a big part of this, and we just don't fully understand it. Um but um but it is obviously very traumatic experience for those individuals, and they need somebody to talk to, and typically somebody who's you know experienced it is is helpful, but even the experiencers too don't want to talk about it all the time, probably either.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

Right, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, it's traumatic.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

Yeah, very um in you mentioned off-world experiences earlier. What are your thoughts on the moon? I'm just I want to I want to kind of lighten the topic just a little bit here. What are your thoughts on the moon? Uh and all the anomalies, weird things that happen with the moon and the lunar surface and spacecraft, etc.

SPEAKER_00 51:24

Yeah, I think uh what was it? Uh I can't remember if it was Apollo 12. Um uh one one of the, I don't, it was one of the later.

SPEAKER_01 51:31

Apollo 12 drop dropped the um payload onto the moon and then heard it ring, basically.

SPEAKER_00 51:36

Yeah, they they basically uh they crashed the lunar module on onto the moon and they had all these seismic um instruments set up, and you know, you've heard the it rang like a bell for like an hour. Um and I know they've done a bunch of those. So it it it indicates that the moon is sort of hollow. Uh sound sounds like that.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

I've brought this up to a number of folks recently, and they're like, Cameron, what are you talking about? Like we've gone way too we've gone way too far down the road. I'm like, but but this is this is public information. The the moon is hollow according to NASA.

SPEAKER_00 52:07

Right, right. Um what do you do with that information? And then I mean there's all these weird anomalies with it. Um I mean the chances of I mean, look, every time we have a um uh a solar eclipse and the moon passes in front of the sun, the the chances of from our vantage point, the sun and the moon being like the uh exact size, I mean, a total eclipse just does not happen. I I mean I suspect that we it is extra extraordinarily rare throughout our galaxy for that to even happen. And yet it happens to us, and we just take it for granted. Oh, the sun and the moon are roughly the same size, which I think is pretty weird. But um, you know, when you look into the remote viewers, uh specifically uh, you know, Project Stargate, this was the Stanford Research SRI um that was working with the CIA uh back in the in the 60s, 70s, 80s. Um, you know, Ingo Swan, one of the most um talented remote viewers, um, he did a lot of of and he was instructed to look at at the moon. I think Lynn Buchanan, uh another one, uh, he was the inspiration for the movie Men Who Stare at Goats. Um and uh I think he also did some remote viewing on the moon and for the moon and Mars. And you know, they they always come back and say, Oh, yep, there's that's where these ETs um they have some kind of a base there. That's where it and it's an excellent observation point, um, you know, because it's you know always facing us and and they can keep an eye on everything that we do. But um yeah, I just thought that was fascinating. And these are all blind um you know um tests with these remote viewers, and they're coming up with the same information. I guess the the dark side of the moon uh supposedly has some dome-shaped um um bases. And uh I was hoping that with uh Artemis uh two uh that they were gonna pick up some of that. And who knows, maybe some of their cameras did and they're just not you know talking about it.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

It sounds like they probably wouldn't share it either, even if they did see it.

SPEAKER_00 54:15

Right.

SPEAKER_01 54:15

Um so so so with that, soul recycling and loosh, how familiar are you with with those particular topics?

SPEAKER_00 54:23

I'm not familiar at all.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

Okay, that's another we'll we'll leave that one for another day then because that's another completely different rabbit hole that I've started to get to kind of go down. And I'm like, this might be a little bit too far for me at this point. I might need to take a step back.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

So now you've given me another tangent to go down. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

That's another one to to look into, fun one to look into. Um, okay, cool. So I I just as a I know we could do this for hours, and I want to be very respectful of your time. There's also a World Cup match going on right now that uh there may be something weird going on with. So you and I both saw this the same Brazilian influencer with like what 26 million sub you know followers on Instagram. She's a psychic. She basically said that there's gonna be an abduction uh with the World Cup match tonight between Scotland and Brazil. I don't know how I feel about that, but like any prediction, we'll we'll you don't know until it actually happens. So we'll see. But we do have that to go get to to potentially observe. Hopefully that does not occur. But um, if it does, we'll at least be able to you know watch it on TV, I guess. Totally. Um but but just uh general overview here. Uh first and foremost, if people have had an experience, they really should um message me so I can message you or just message you directly, right? So they can reach out to you and share their experience. I'm not the professional, Matt's the professional. So if you had an experience, you should definitely reach out to Matt Garrison and move on. Yeah. Um but what is your just general overview of all the things that you've observed uh up to this point? What do you think's going on? If you could if you could just give me a high-level view of what you believe to be going on within our universe, our reality, our experience, so on and so forth.

SPEAKER_00 56:04

Um Well, I'll start with uh I started reading Graham Hancock years and years ago. Um and I'm just fascinated by um, you know, he he has this theory. Uh, you know, he's not an archaeologist. Um he's um I I can't he's a researcher for sure. He's done a ton of books, and uh I know a lot of um established you know the academic world and you know these mainstream archaeologists, they um they don't go along, they don't agree with uh m most of what Graham Hancock says. But it's really fascinating. His his theory is that uh the the there's something about about 13,800 years ago called the Younger Dryas Impact, and so that's the Younger Dryas Impact Theory. And uh he his theory is that uh 13,800 years ago a comet uh slammed into the earth uh in the northern hemisphere, maybe somewhere around Greenland, uh instantly melted the ice caps, and uh lick uh water and ice just flowed over the you know European continent and then North America. Um and maybe that's what caused you know the Great Lakes to be formed. Uh you know, this this sudden glacial um uh you know expansion and and uh melting of of uh of this um um I can't remember uh Randall Carlson calls it meltwater. Yeah, meltwater meltwater meltwater pulses. Um and that a lot of these megalithic structures um predate that. And so we're talking about the pyramids on the Giza Plateau, and you know, we're talking about um you know, cities in uh uh Mesoamerica, you know, um Tot.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

Gobeklatepi.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

Gobekli Yeah, Gobekli Tepi is a perfect one. Um, yeah, 10,000 or so years ago.

SPEAKER_01 58:00

I just struggle with saying these words sometimes because I'm like, they're in my head and just getting them out like I just struggle with these.

SPEAKER_00 58:06

So there was definitely some kind of advanced technology. My my favorite one is uh Puma Punka, and this is in Bolivia, it's adjacent to Tijuanaca, which is um uh the Tihuanaka civilization, they're on the south side of Lake Titicaca, so it's kind of the border of Peru and Bolivia. And what makes uh Puma Punka uh, which supposedly is older than Tihuanaca, because the people that live in that area they that through their um you know verbal you know language that they you know they pass this information down generation to generation was that um Tihuanaka was built uh um using some of the stones from Pumapunka, and Puma Punka is much, much older uh than Tiwanaka. Um but the incredible thing is uh and this is like 12,000 feet up in you know uh in in the Andes, and uh these stones, um some of them weigh in excess of a hundred tons. Um and there is extreme precision. You know, I uh I'm sure you've seen the the H blocks uh are the popular one. There are these geometric um shapes in the in the form of a the letter H. But they're the geometry on them is absolutely perfect, perfect 90 degree angles, completely smooth surfaces. Um and this is a level of technology that you know and there there's a lot of archaeologists say that they've you know that these things are not that old, they're you know, you know, um um certain certainly not you know BC era. Um that they're that they're they're they're uh more um you know that it's later than that. But um what Graham Hancock I know believes that this was part of this you know ancient uh technologically advanced civilization. And you know, when you look at like I mentioned that hundred ton, you know, those hundred ton stones, they found the quarry where this gray and androcyte uh comes from, and it's thousands of feet down the mountain. Now, whether this was built, which I don't believe it was, but uh, you know, 400 AD or 10,000, you know, BC, um it would be extremely uh difficult for us to move that stone thousands of feet up a mountain um with no equipment. Or I mean, even with our best equipment, if we had our you know the largest cranes and transport vehicles that we had, it would still be nearly impossible for us to transport that from the quarry up the you know, thousands of feet up the mountain and then place it. Um that one has always always struck me. So uh and then you have um, you know, now on the Giza Plateau in Egypt, you've got uh um Filippo uh Biondi. Um he's using this um the it's called the size side scan Doppler tomography um or aperture radar Doppler tomography, and he's using multiple satellites, so not just one, but multiple platforms, um, to pen you know to peer with this aperture radar underneath the pyramids. And he's discovered um these spiral structures under uh one of the pyramids. It's um not the great pyramid um Khufu, it's the one next to it, uh Kafre, the second largest. And he's found um these eight spiral columns that extend down, I think 3,500 feet, so two-thirds of a mile underground. Uh they're perfectly formed, and then they go, and then there's at the bottom, they're sitting on this large box that's about the size of a football field, uh, not a football stadium, but a football field. And this is uh this is true. Um it shows that whoever built the pyramids and this structure were maybe hundreds or thousands of years more advanced than we are right now. And so, based off of all of that information, um I kind of think that maybe these now whether they originated from some other star system, I think they've been on Earth with us for tens of thousands of years. Um and so they're they're here. I mean, they're obviously there's so many reports from the Navy, uh, you know, these things popping out of the water. Um and I kind of believe that you know they're here. Um maybe they're on the on the moon, but they're here with us all the time. So that's kind of the thing that makes the most sense to me. Um and there could be a hundred other different species that are doing, you know, coming from different places or interdimensionally or coming back in time, who knows? But that's just one theory. But that that kind of makes the the most sense to me. It explains w all of these anomalous uh archaeological uh finds that just cannot be explained. And they these one-offs um that mainstream archaeology doesn't even take a look at. Um there is incredible information to be discovered there if um we could just get rid of the dogma of, you know, oh, our civilization began with the Sumerians and the Babylonians, and then the next came the Egyptians, and um the start of our f civilization uh uh it started with these megalithic structures that we can't even build today. That just makes no sense to me. So obviously there was another techno uh technologically advanced um um society, whether they were humans, but maybe maybe they were ETs, maybe they were something else that was here. Um I don't know, but that kind of um helps me fit those two pieces of the puzzle together. Now, whether they go together or not, I I don't know, but just uh all conjecture.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:08

I love it. I love it. Well, thanks to people like Graham Hancock and Bob Lazar and Stephen Greer, who I'm gonna ask you about here in a minute, too, uh, and now Matt Kellison, I have like no fear discussing these things, right? I feel like I've I've done enough research, I've surrounded myself with people who are once again, I following individuals like yourself and listening and having these conversations. Like you're obviously a very intellectual individual. Like you've done your research, you've had these experiences, you've had these conversations. I I don't know that people can sure you're just you can discredit all you want. These are just conversations. These are things that people are experiencing. This is to your point, there's some of this is conjecture. But why not ask the questions? Why not go down these roads? What's keeping you in such a in such a tight-knit bubble? And I think my my belief now is just very clear is that ignorance is bliss to so many people and understanding anything else that destroys their worldview is is very difficult. And it really is. It's it that in and of itself is traumatic, too. Um so I think it is very difficult to to a lot of people. Um but I I I would like to think that as a society in general, we are moving towards a place where we are going to have a better ability to assimilate and or adapt once these things do start to really come to light um in a more profound way. But I'd like to think we're getting there. Do you agree with that or disagree with that statement?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:26

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:29

Maybe we're just because the argument will never be there.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

I I don't know. I you know, and one of the messages that I I don't believe I mentioned before from some of the experiencers I've worked with is um that humanity needs to grow spiritually before we can ascend to that level that that they are on. Um I I just don't believe we're there. I mean, you know, it's you know Joe Rogan always talks uh talks about you know, we're we're uh monkeys with nuclear weapons. In a sense, that's kind of what we are. I mean, um, you know, we we live in this world that um is beautiful and has inc incredible um you know stories and and the people um there are for the most part very loving. Um but then you know I go out uh on my way to the grocery store and um you know I I experienced people with road rage and and I think oh my gosh, we are so lost as a civilization, you know, like just chill out. But um yeah, I'm I I wish we were there. I I honestly don't think I don't think we are. Um I think some of us are. Um but I I wish we could just put away our anger. Um the the political divide in this country right now is nuts. It is absolutely nuts. Um and who knows, maybe um one of these, you know, these uh you know extraterrestrial uh civilizations, you know, what whatever they are, um maybe them showing up at over a soccer stadium is what we need, you know, to bring everybody together. You know, Reagan, I think, once said that um during the speech of the UN that uh what if we could just all come together and uh make maybe there was a threat from outside of our world that we all had to unite for. Um I I that's a pretty dark view in itself. You know, I hope that it's not like that either.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:30

Um but that but that gives me Project Bluebeam vibes, and I'm like, okay, I really hope that that uh we that you know the president was not there, that was not his opinion. I think he was just saying it jokingly, but it's obviously been used. Absolutely now. A lot of people in this space would be like, oh, Project Bluebeam is absolutely happening. Like it's common, guys. Whether you like it or not, the president of the United States literally made a comment about it. So yeah, but take it out of context to a certain agree.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:54

I I guess I'm on the fence. I'd I'd like to say I'm optimistic that if um disclosure happens because of um a craft landing and uh extraterrestrial beings or whatever they are um you know peacefully trying to reach out to everybody on this planet, um, I'd like to think that we would not try to destroy them. And I mean it's it, you know, you've got all these Pentagon videos that are coming out, and I'd believe one is the you know um, you know, uh fighter jet shooting down the whatever it was over Lake Huron, and I'm thinking, oh, then there's the uh the hellfire missile over in the Middle East that was leaked, the video was leaked from it, and and I'm thinking, stop shooting at these things. Yeah, bounced off, and then uh whatever broke off started flying in formation behind it. And and there's some there's some theories that uh that was just because the angle of the um where the FLEAR camera was pointed. I suppose it was on a drone or it could be a it could have been on uh uh on a fighter uh jet or another asset. Um but some conjecture is that uh it broke apart and then those pieces that appear to be following the craft are actually free-falling, and because of the angle, um it just looks like they're you know they recover and they're flying off. Um with a lot of those Pentagon uh videos, they are almost meaningless to take at face value without more information, and it's just not there, just a video on its you know on its own just doesn't help. But yeah, I I wish we would stop shooting at these things. I understand for national security reasons, you know, we we need to protect you know our country. Um but if these things are really visitors from somewhere else um or a higher level being than us, um it kind of sucks that we're taking shots at them, you know. Um I I don't know what the world, you know, what you know what the answer is, but yeah, it seems like our our world is on fire, you know. And if I were the aliens, I'd probably look at the earth and go, no thanks. We don't want anything to do with these crazy people. But um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:12

If you don't mind, I want to do a little bit of a speed round to wrap this up. Uh just some fun questions. They might require a lengthier answer, but if you can answer them quickly, that would be fun. I've never done this, I've never done this before, but it seems like there's a lot of thoughts in my head, so might as well just throw them out there. Um but uh okay, so let's let's start here. How do you feel about uh Dr. Steven Greer and the work he's done?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:39

Well, I mean, he's certainly done a lot for the um you know community. Um you know, back he's the one who organized that national press um club um you know meeting back in the I think it was the early 2000s where you know he was able to get a lot of um you know ex-government officials to come forward. I believe Robert Sallas was one of them. You know, that that was the introduction of you know the UFOs shutting down nuclear weapons. Um I think that was great. I mean he um established the CE5 protocol um through you know meditation that you can um you know communicate with these beings and and actually call them in. Yeah, yeah. Um I the one thing that I don't like is you know these beings, whatever they are, uh these craft, these lights in the sky, you know, Chris we've talked about Chris Bledsoe, um, you know, obviously um you know they're there, but um the the fact that you know I know Dr. Greer, he I mean this is what he does does for a living, um, and he has these CE5 events and he charges people money. And um I think it's great work that he's doing, but I don't know, it just kind of rubs me the wrong way, you know, that this is for humanity. I mean, nobody should be paying money in order to communicate with these other beings. And so um he's he's probably a great guy, very knowledgeable, and he's done a lot for the community. Um, but it was just that little thing that kind of uh I just doesn't sit well with me.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:12

I'll admit that's the thing that I'm struggling with right now because it relates to like the podcast. And um, there are certain individuals I've had conversations with that I've basically said, like, hey, this is this doesn't make any sense for Rudd and do us to do a podcast, even though you have a big following and you're a big part of this group and organization, politically, not politically, et cetera. Um, because I'm like, I want to stay true to myself as much as possible throughout this process. Like ideally, eventually this does make some money from sponsorships and other things. That would be that would be fantastic. But with anything like in this space, you're almost like, are you saying this to sensationalize just to get views and to make money? Or are you saying this because you believe it? Like you actually believe it. And I think that's the hardest part about discernment nowadays, especially when these groups become so about the money to fund what they're doing. But it also is just part of our life. We need money to exist in our world, unfortunately. Um, but it's just it's a part of it. But I to your point, I do get rubbed the wrong way by by organizations that push things in or sell something in order to get you to um obviously support their organization, but it's just kind of it's kind of a part of the game. So push and pull of sorts, but it is a rub, and I appreciate you saying that the exact same way. I'm like, do I want to monetize something like this, or it does that take away from me being 100% myself and being true to myself? Um, but I'm like, at this point, I'm not gonna be able to hold like an actual job moving forward. So hopefully my marketing agency and some other things support me as we continue to share this kind of information. Um, but with that, okay, perfect, great start. Bob Lazar, um, believable, non-believable, every bit of his story.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:37

I I believe him. Um I know there was uh you know uh a lot of um criticism because uh we you know he said he we worked at um you know worked for uh I can't remember the contractor that he worked for uh and they just said he didn't work for him. Yeah, and then and then uh it was at Los Alamos labs. Um and they don't they said they don't have a record. Um and then MIT, you know, he said that he went to MIT. Uh I believe he explained that during the documentary. He's you know, that he was not a student at MIT, but he audited these class these classes, these physics classes and all these higher level classes because of his job that he had, you know, um I can't remember if he worked for EGNG or whatever the contractor that he worked for, but um they were sending him to to these classes at MIT. Um and that's why he's not on the student registry or you know, didn't never graduated from. I don't think he ever claimed that he graduated from MIT. Um just some guy auditing a class sitting in the back that you know maybe or you know the professor doesn't even notice. Um so and then uh I know George Knapp um went with him to I think to Los Alamos or uh maybe it was Sandia, uh one of the national labs um run by the Department of Energy. And everybody there knew him, you know. The um uh so there's a lot of things that Bob Lazar was criticized for that have kind of um that were a big deal that I now now I believe they've you know been explained. Um, you know, he produced a W-2 and he was in the phone book uh at the one of the national labs.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:10

Um uh so it almost makes you wonder like why have they not killed this guy yet? It's like that's that's kind of where I'm at. I'm just like, why have they not like why has somebody not like silenced him completely?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:20

I think that if he wasn't so vocal, he might not be around right now. Um that that was his protection. Um I know he gets harassed a lot. Yeah, um, you know, when during one of the documentaries that he did with uh maybe it was with Jeremy Corbell that you know the FBI rated rated his uh his business, uh United Nuclear, while they were doing the documentary. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:43

That's crazy to live that to live that way and to keep sharing information too. It's gotta be super traumatic. But I guess you get to a certain point where you're like, my skin's so thick, it just is what it is. Um okay, cool. Demonic or non-demonic? When people in the religious community don't understand things, they tend to go the demonic route. I'm curious to just know your thoughts on that versus like is there, in your opinion, potentially uh space for like demonic energy of sorts uh versus is it just something they don't fully understand?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:15

I or a little bit both. Yeah, I I so uh I'm I'm not sure that I believe in in demons. I mean, I know there are evil entities. Uh I guess whether you you want to call them demons or or and angels, uh, but it really boils down to, you know, what define an angel uh and then define um an extraterrestrial. And it's like they're the same thing. You know, I mean, do they have good intentions or bad intentions? I guess that's the differentiation between an angel and a demon. Um, I I do believe that there are entities out there that do not have our best interest in mind, and then uh there are uh entities out there that that do and that are looking out for us. And um so uh I I I would like to believe that there's no demonic uh element to this, but I guess it really comes down to semantics of um, well, what what is a demon?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:11

You know, good and bad energy.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:14

Right. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:15

Yeah. Um, our government, obviously, you watched you watch disclosure today. We we already decided this is pretty. Okay. Um do you believe that it's pretty spot on with this like representation of the government knowing it being within private organizations though, and then working together? That's that's in my opinion, I believe that wholeheartedly that the government knows and they've just passed off a lot of information to private entities um because of the fact that we now can obviously ask for information from our government, but they can protect themselves by giving it to private organizations, which basically keeps it from the president and other members of our government altogether.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:47

Yeah, absolutely. Um, you know, no uh access through Freedom of Information Act if it's in the hands of uh one of these aerospace companies or you know, Battel or um, you know, Lockheed Martin. Um and so yeah, I I I believe that it was probably transferred you know back in the 60s um to avoid you know just that. And I I gotta tell you, I'm really disappointed with these uh with these three releases. I mean, I there are some videos that um uh uh that were released that show some pretty interesting things. We have a a team with Mufon that's going through all of them and analyzing them and we're treating them like a MUFON case that somebody submitted. Um but there's so much information missing on a lot of them. Um I've done, I think, 12 or 13 of the um uh the videos and some of the documents. Um the the ones from the latest release, there were not that many videos. I did two of them. Uh there was the one there with the two orbs behind the trees that uh I know it gets shown on the news a lot, and then the other one was a bright light that was supposedly hovering over the lake, uh lake for 45 minutes. Um without any context to that. Uh I to me they're not really remarkable. I mean, they're easily explainable. That the two bright orange lights that are going across the screen. I mean, in Florida, we we see those all the time. They're you know, um sky lanterns, you know. Um they've got a very unique look, a very unique color to them, and they those things moved exactly like that. Now, supposedly the FBI and did their investigation and found these people to be credible, but uh, and that in that particular case that there was this one orb that uh was in the backyard and then it flew up, broke into two p pieces, and then flew flew that, and that's what you see. They see the last part of that in the video. Um that might be true, but without the background uh metadata, location, uh any of that, uh it just to me it looks like you know sky lanterns. Right. Um and also with the other one with the the the craft of the ball of light that was hovering over a lake. I mean to me that also looks like maybe a camp, you know, it could be a uh an LED lantern or something in the woods. It didn't move for 45 minutes and um without any further information. It's just kind of unremarkable. Um and then oh my gosh, the um release three, some of the files that I went through, I was expecting some real juicy stuff. I got a um a declassified CIA document that described the history of the U2, the A12 Oxcard, and the SR71 that was declassified. It's a like uh 402-page PDF document. There's one reference to a UFO that described when they were testing the U-2 spy plane at the time. They weren't painted black. They were painted, you know, they weren't painted, they were polished aluminum. So at 80,000 feet, they would pick up a glint of you know reflection off the sun and people would think it's a UFO. Um, another one was um uh a German scientist who wrote a paper that described the all of the uh um UFO reports in the 1950s were really German technology. Uh ridiculous. Um and then uh there was uh the one that got me was they released an interview between Walter Cronkite and Gordon Cooper before his Mercury mission, speculating what the fireflies were that John Glenn saw. I mean, did they have to declassify that and put it out with his release? Um, like I said, there's some interesting things in there, but it's just complete obscure.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:29

Weren't the fireflies there's something super easy to explain, though? It was like uh something that came out, it was like a liquid of some kind that shined and looked, made it look like it was actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:40

Either that or it could have been like a heat shield kind of thing. Um but yeah, I think there was a prosaic explanation for sure. Yeah. Um, what I really want is you know, back in April, Anna Paulina Luna, uh House Oversight Committee, um she wrote Secretary Hegseth um uh a memo requesting 46 high-resolution color videos that she had been uh briefed on and observed within a SCIF. And she demanded that or requested that those be released by April 14th. Well, April 14th came and went. May 6th comes around, I think was when the first batch of um um of Pentagon UFO files came out, uh, and then two others after that. And you know, they're all pretty unremarkable. Um nothing earth-shattering. Um, but I'm hoping that those 46 videos that uh um Representative Luna is you know talking about, I think if those could get released, uh that would be incredible. I believe one of them, um, if if I've read the description and it was legit, um, was a disc-shaped craft that pulls right up uh to a uh a B-52 that was in flight, so B-52 bomber, uh, pulled up right next to the cockpit window, and the pilots were able to look out. Uh there was a transparent section of the disc and they could see the occupants inside. Uh, I don't know if they were Grays or what what they were, but uh and then the thing flies off. Um I want to see that video. Um, I want to see the documents that confirm that the Roswell crash happened. Um, I I you know there's so much stuff that needs to be released, and what it what we're getting is absolutely ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:20

Very surface level, very surface level. Absolutely. But to a lot of people in the population, though, it's a lot. It's like, oh my gosh, it's actually being recognized by the government. I've been long, I've been wrong my entire life. These people that are talking about UFOs might actually be onto something. So I think it's it is kind of to a certain degree, it's starting to like you know, get people to thinking, at least, about the possibility of what else might be out there because the government is finally putting some credibility behind it. So I think that in and of itself is helpful to a certain degree.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:50

I think we just need to keep the pressure on and um keep asking for more. Um I I I know that there's probably certain elements within the government that think we'll just feed them all of this and then like we don't have to worry about it for a couple of years. And I hope that's not the case. We just we just we really need to keep that pressure on.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:08

So we also want to know, you know, JFK, Epstein, lots of these things too. We want we want all this information released. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, Matt, I I really appreciate uh I haven't gotten any notification yet of any kind of abduction at the World Cup match. Um, not sure about you, but uh no, nothing yet. But I guess it'll be interesting to go check that out after this. But anything else you want to add this evening? Anything else you think would kind of wrap this episode uh super nice and tight for us and put uh maybe a cherry or a bow on top.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:35

Well, I wouldn't be a good uh Mufon State Director if I didn't uh direct people to visit www.mufon.com. Uh you can join as a member. You can uh um uh become a field investigator uh through that website, and then also you can report a sighting and and you can report an abduction to that website. So www.mufon.com um it holds all the information. Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:02

Well, Matt, thank you again for your time. We'll talk soon.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:05

All right, thank you so much, Cameron.